To Read Option, or Not

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

If III was healthy for the entire game I still believe we would have won and after that who knows.

This. We completely dominated on offense side, even with Griffin's bum knee. Until the knee got worst after the fall in red zone.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by whistler

The read option is a gimmick offense at this level. The right personnel and defensive scheme would stop it flat! A defense with a hybrid SS/LB on the outside(s) behind a 4 man line w/ends wide and 2 inside linebackers that fill is the answer (correct=single safety see-Texas in the 80's), personnel is the answer.
Griffin is best in a spread type of offense where he can scramble if needed, with up-tempo and plays called at the line of scrimmage. I forgot that would require the Shannys to relinquish all of the play calling and game mis-management. NEVERMIND

An NFC East Championship says you're wrong.

[IHG_2012]

RG3 and Cousins allow us to do both.. read option is something that will work but just have to fine tune the mentality they running this style means it has to wear your QB down..

[FRPLG]

And the biggest counter-argument is this...the read option has been around for years. The best coaches with the best players had the opportunity to figure this out and by the end of last year not many had any success in stopping the three teams featuring it.

[budw38]

At one time the west coast offence was " a gimmick " . The two TE/One Back , a gimmick as was the " spread " . Talent , coaching and getting the breaks ( turnovers ) is what determines success . As long as we have RG3 , A. Morris and a solid OL , we will move the ball and score .

[warriorzpath]

The read option is just that - its a play or a package of plays that the redskins have the option of utilizing. The read option will continue to be used and is not a gimmick as long as its effective. An opposing defense cannot completely shut it down because that means the defense must completely sell out on every play to prevent the offense from using it. This opens all kinds of other plays up for the offense.

[warriorzpath]

Bottom line - you can't stop it for a full game because the offense will kill the opposing defenses by just taking advantage of the holes in the defense selling out to stop the read option play(s).

Here's a simple example in basketball (but not meant as a direct comparison) - you can't double-team one player for a whole game because that means that another player is open the whole game.

[mredskins]

Really get out of here!

[The Goat]

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

We don't see Rodgers getting designed runs called for him because he can't run like Griffin. No QB in NFL history was probably as fast and elusive as him, even Vick in his youth.

The game has changed many times and we're seeing a transition right now, thanks to our own RGIII.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

So, 3 teams running it and all 3 get to the playoffs, 1 winning a division title, 1 making it to the SB, that's not good enough. It only counts if they win the SB. Got it. That seems like a perfectly rationale requirement.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, 3 teams running it and all 3 get to the playoffs, 1 winning a division title, 1 making it to the SB, that's not good enough. It only counts if they win the SB. Got it. That seems like a perfectly rationale requirement.

It makes perfect sense if you think about it in a way that makes no sense.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe it's semantics to some, but until a team running the read-option wins the SB it's a gimmick to me. And I don't think it's an accident we don't see the very best teams who have very mobile QBs running it i.e. Aaron Rogers has fantastic mobility and shows it plenty to scramble/extend plays, but you don't see Mike McCarthy sending Rogers up the gut with the pigskin. It's retarded to use your franchise QB as a running back, period. Another enchilada to use a guy like Kaepernick or Wilson who cost you very little.

Check the stats and tape again. Aaron Rodgers has averaged 4 rushes per game over the last three years. Some of these are scrambles but some are designed runs in which Rodgers runs "up the gut with the pigskin." If you watch the tape, you'll see that some of these designed runs are based on zone read concepts.

Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Wrong example to make your point.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Check the stats and tape again. Aaron Rodgers has averaged 4 rushes per game over the last three years. Some of these are scrambles but some are designed runs in which Rodgers runs "up the gut with the pigskin." If you watch the tape, you'll see that some of these designed runs are based on zone read concepts.

Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Wrong example to make your point.

I can't tell if your serious or not, but I'll play along for a minute. Every QB in the history of the game runs a sneak, typically at the goal line or on very short yardage. Beyond that, I've never seen Rogers keep the ball on say, 2nd and 8, for the sake of keeping the ball. If you've seen it, please post it. What we do see is Rogers scramble out of a collapsed pocket, and picking up so good yardage there. Though I'll say he's extremely careful to avoid hits i.e. sliding long before there could be contact or heading out of bounds. Hopefully this is what Shanahan ultimately envisions for RG.

Again, the notion of making your designated franchise QB a RB at the pro level is way outside the norm. Vick is really the only other example, and he held up far better than RG as a comparison i.e. Vick didn't sustain repeated major injuries as a rookie. The bottom line is it hasn't worked for any team in terms of long-term success, and won't work unless the league somehow makes hits to the QB off-limits in all circumstances.

Arguing otherwise is just absurd. It's not supported by the evidence or common sense.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I can't tell if your serious or not, but I'll play along for a minute. Every QB in the history of the game runs a sneak, typically at the goal line or on very short yardage. Beyond that, I've never seen Rogers keep the ball on say, 2nd and 8, for the sake of keeping the ball. If you've seen it, please post it. What we do see is Rogers scramble out of a collapsed pocket, and picking up so good yardage there. Though I'll say he's extremely careful to avoid hits i.e. sliding long before there could be contact or heading out of bounds. Hopefully this is what Shanahan ultimately envisions for RG.

Again, the notion of making your designated franchise QB a RB at the pro level is way outside the norm. Vick is really the only other example, and he held up far better than RG as a comparison i.e. Vick didn't sustain repeated major injuries as a rookie. The bottom line is it hasn't worked for any team in terms of long-term success, and won't work unless the league somehow makes hits to the QB off-limits in all circumstances.

Arguing otherwise is just absurd. It's not supported by the evidence or common sense.

Of course I am serious. And you are mistaken.

I do not have time to splice film together demonstrating that the Packers do in fact send Aaron Rodgers "up the gut" on intentional runs. However, in the brief time that I have had to look, I still found this film of an intentional QB draw:

Aaron Rodgers Touchdown Run vs Tennessee Titans -...

Fact is, the Packers and Aaron Rodgers have had long-term success with the franchise QB running the ball intentionally. Aaron Rodgers engages in intentional runs frequently. Please adjust your argument to reflect reality.