Ravens release Ray Rice

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by jamf

I don't get the uproar over the video.
From day one the report was he knocked her out in an elevator, the video shows him knocking her out in an elevator.
What did you guys expect to see?

They were expecting to see her instigating the fight (as she claimed and apologized for) and the video shows otherwise. That's what the uproar is about. (to me)

[Coff]

Originally Posted by jamf

I don't get the uproar over the video.
From day one the report was he knocked her out in an elevator, the video shows him knocking her out in an elevator.
What did you guys expect to see?

First and foremost Rice should be in jail.

What was Goodell thinking when he suspended him for 2 games?
The fact that he did not attempt to watch the video of the assault is unbelievable.
Goodell gave him a 2 game suspension, that should be that. I don't understand how they can suspended him again. This isn't new evidence, it's been there available the whole time!!!

I would like Goodell to serve an indefinite ban for his handling of this case.
I hope Rice fights the new suspension but I also hope he ends up in jail and never plays in the NFL again.

F... Ray Rice and Goodell!

I think there's a general lack of imagination that doesn't allow people to understand things without having actually witnessing them. For example, when Goodell allowed Michael Vick to play without having to face further suspension after being released from prison, there was an awful lot of people who believed he should be allowed back because "he had served his time." If there were videos showing him executing (through torturous means) the seven dogs that he personally executed, I believe far fewer people would have concluded that he served his time and instead would forever be sickened by the mere mention of his name. But why? Because of that lack of imagination; the inability to understand the terrible nature of things not experienced first hand. And I use the Vick case because it's an easy example, but there are many other social problems highlighted by the general Ray Rice reaction. In the examples of Rice and Vick, the lack of imagination allows us to gloss over terrible things. However, in many other cases, it prevents us from feeling empathy for others when we should feel empathy, etc.

[MTK]

Hearing about something and actually seeing it are two different things. Imagine if there was tape of Vick killing dogs? He likely would have had a tougher time getting his 2nd chance.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hearing about something and actually seeing it are two different things. Imagine if there was tape of Vick killing dogs? He likely would have had a tougher time getting his 2nd chance.

I concur with this sentiment as well. It truly is one thing to hear it and another to view it.

[jamf]

Well said Coff and I agree to some extent but we aren't talking about Mike Vick and killing dogs. We are talking about domestic violence and punching someone in the face.
most people know what it is and don't need an imagination to figure it out.

[JoeRedskin]

Statement from Mrs. Rice:

Janay Rice defended her husband and criticized the media.

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend," she wrote in an Instagram post. "But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted [opinions] from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret everyday is a horrible thing.

"To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass off for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

Janay Rice defends Ray Rice, criticizes media in Instagram post - ESPN

Not trying to crawl in to this woman's head but I think it demonstrates the whole "conflict of interest" issue mentioned earlier.

[MTK]

The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.

she is mad at the media? How about the man that punched you out?

I worked at a hotel a long time ago as a desk clerk. If woman was beaten they (woman shelter) bring her there as like a safe house for a few days. The hotel company offered the room as complimentary. No one knew they were there. I didn't even know who was in the room it was just booked under a fake name. One time one of the husbands showed up and proceeded to beat his wife again, how did he know where she was? She called him.

Domestic violence is a awful circle of abuse.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.

I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .

I agree. I was thinking about it last night because I originally guessed it was the act of a whistle blower. However if you were a genuine whistle blower with no ulterior motive wouldn't you send the tape to a more reputable news source like CNN or even Vice News if you didn't trust a major news outlet to handle it properly instead of TMZ? Obviously you can still be a whistle blower while sending the tape to TMZ but given the fact that the choices of news organizations were essentially limitless, why settle on TMZ?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I agree. I was thinking about it last night because I originally guessed it was the act of a whistle blower. However if you were a genuine whistle blower with no ulterior motive wouldn't you send the tape to a more reputable news source like CNN or even Vice News if you didn't trust a major news outlet to handle it properly instead of TMZ? Obviously you can still be a whistle blower while sending the tape to TMZ but given the fact that the choices of news organizations were essentially limitless, why settle on TMZ?

Because TMZ bought it.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Because TMZ bought it.

Bro, I was going all Glenn Beck asking rhetorical questions and ish.

[Ghost of George Allen]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .

Definitely!!!!! You can't blame some security guard making probably $14-15 a hour copying it and trying to score big with it.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Ghost of George Allen

Definitely!!!!! You can't blame some security guard making probably $14-15 a hour copying it and trying to score big with it.

That casino was closed down a couple of weeks ago. Chances are this is someone's idea of a severance package.

EDIT: Also TMZ had several quotes that were not attribute to anyone by name, but was from the point of view of the casino employees. The founder of TMZ was on Espn radio yesterday and while he wouldn't admit it in this case, he said they will pay for tape and hold stories. He said, "everyone does it" and got quite defensive.

[JoeRedskin]

Not only that,

(1) Domestic violence and violence against women has been a topic of discussion all summer.

(2) With all due respect, it's not all about you and Rice individually. It's larger than that; its a demonstration of what is and isn't acceptable in society. This incident was, unfortunately, just a microcosm of something that happens across the country in many homes everyday. It needs to be held up as a clear symbol "This is wrong. Women - don't tolerate this; Men - don't act like this."

(3) I have a daughter. I am outraged at the thought that someone may actually believe this is an appropriate way to treat my daughter under any circumstances. Sorry if you disagree Ms. Rice, but I will let the world know - do this to my daughter and I will hunt you down and inflict grievous injury upon you.

(4) I have a son. I am outraged at the thought that someone may actually believe him less a man if he refuses the path of violence to resolve conflicts between himself and someone - particular a wife or gf - who is inherently weaker than him.

At this point, unfortunately for Mrs. Rice, the events in question are part of a much larger conversation we need to have as a society.