Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either

RG3 pocket awareness is terrible, he gets happy feet and starts to feel pressure that isnt there as the game goes on. So even when he has time, he feels he doesnt. Has a hard time pre snap and has a hard time seeing the field. Jay needs to move the pocket more for him, but he doesnt for some reason.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 pocket awareness is terrible, he gets happy feet and starts to feel pressure that isnt there as the game goes on. So even when he has time, he feels he doesnt. Has a hard time pre snap and has a hard time seeing the field. Jay needs to move the pocket more for him, but he doesnt for some reason.

Yup. RGIII has no clock in his head, sees the field poorly,and has not had the game slow down for him. The "no clock in the head" is the worst part.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either

Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.

Next week RGII will be like a human pinata, Aaron Lynch on one side and Aldon Smith on the other. Lynch is a 5th round rookie playing like an all-pro (steal of the draft).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.

cant sit him, we have to coach him and play him to see results. makes zero sense to play colt. cant play, wont learn

[Coff]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.

This is what's frustrating. This blind belief that no matter who is on the bench, he's better than the QB on the field. So we cherry pick statistics to find something to justify our belief. But this is just ridiculous. Okay, RGIII gets sacked more than Colt and Kirk. But he throws more touchdowns, throws fewer interceptions, completes more first downs, completes a higher percentage of his passes, averages more yards per reception, and has a much higher QB rating. But he gets sacked more, so yeah, let's make that the only statistic that matters.

Let's compare McCoy to Griffin. McCoy has thrown nearly 25% fewer passes but has managed to throw more interceptions. McCoy averages a TD every 34 passes, RGIII averages one every 25. McCoy has completed less than 60% of his passes, RGIII has completed 64% of his. McCoy averages 6.5 yards per attempt, RGIII 7.5. It's not a comparison; RGIII is a superior QB; he's a superior pocket passer. It's enough to just recognize that RGIII is not a great QB and that we will probably have to move on, but to get delusional about it and add to the cacophony of nonsense that surrounds this organization just simply isn't helpful.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Coff

This is what's frustrating. This blind belief that no matter who is on the bench, he's better than the QB on the field. So we cherry pick statistics to find something to justify our belief. But this is just ridiculous. Okay, RGIII gets sacked more than Colt and Kirk. But he throws more touchdowns, throws fewer interceptions, completes more first downs, completes a higher percentage of his passes, averages more yards per reception, and has a much higher QB rating. But he gets sacked more, so yeah, let's make that the only statistic that matters.

Let's compare McCoy to Griffin. McCoy has thrown nearly 25% fewer passes but has managed to throw more interceptions. McCoy averages a TD every 34 passes, RGIII averages one every 25. McCoy has completed less than 60% of his passes, RGIII has completed 64% of his. McCoy averages 6.5 yards per attempt, RGIII 7.5. It's not a comparison; RGIII is a superior QB; he's a superior pocket passer. It's enough to just recognize that RGIII is not a great QB and that we will probably have to move on, but to get delusional about it and add to the cacophony of nonsense that surrounds this organization just simply isn't helpful.

How does Griffin throw more TD's? He started 3 full games and has three TD passes. Also there is no way that his pass per reception is higher than Cousins. And two of his three starts the offense has scored less than 10. All I'm saying is if he comes out like this in the remaining games you have to pull him.

[Chico23231]

Cant give up on RG3, got to continue to develop him. I would bring in a vet to push him though.

Upgrading the Oline is priority #1 this offseason.

[Evilgrin]

Who gives a crap about QB, we have 3 "guys" on the roster. RG3 isn't the guy, the other 2 are just backups...

We stink because we have no talent, not just at QB. They don't pay attention to the lines enough. We have a bunch of guys on the DL, but no one is an elite player. They signed a bunch of free agents, and no one except for Djax is doing anything. Reality is the FO still sucks, and the owner still sucks. Until they start deciding to draft and build a team the right way, we are gonna suck.

[Evilgrin]

Put Colt in or Cousins in, then we will back again trying to develop Griffin after the season. Have to ride it out, there isn't alot of talent on this team anyways.

[Evilgrin]

Lots of Qbs hold the ball to long, but they run out of the pocket. Our poor line play is compounded by him not moving well. He may have also lost some of his athletic ability from repeated surgeries, its probably a combination of everything. Him and Bradford are going to cause alot of teams to pass drafting QBs high with big surgeries in college.

However teams that want to win games with average Qbs, need alot better line play. We have 1 good offensive linemen right now(whos hurt), and only 1 above average defensive lineman. Our talent is just so subpar its ridiculous. We still aren't doing a good job drafting and signing free agents. We've had some really good coaches here the last 10 plus years. They can't make it work with whatever is going on behind the scenes.

[Redskins247]

In my opinion, Gruden now has seen all of these weaknesses from RGIII, and it's up to him to try and help him out. Call passing plays with no more than 2 quick options, lot of roll outs, screens...things he does well...and minimizes the decisions he has to make since he obviously struggles with it. If Gruden can't do this, he probably should and will be gone. This is the qb you have right now, try and work with what you have now, your offensive scheme may be great, but it's certainly not so far with RGIII running it. So make changes.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

I don't see the point in bothering with Colt at this point, there's no chance of making the playoffs, so we need to let RG3 continue to grow and develop (Don't even mention cousins, the guy throws way too many interceptions).

What we need to do is find away to build the team to cover RG3's weaknesses.

He has bad pocket presence and can't avoid the sack, fine, build a stronger Offensive line, so he has all the time in the world.

A smart coach realizes the strengths and weaknesses of his team and makes moves to capitalize on the strengths and minimize the negative effects of the weaknesses

[MTK]

Colt or Cousins clearly aren't the answer... Griffin may not be either but he has to keep playing until we know.

[JoeRedskin]

What was frustrating is it seems as if RGIII is regressing rather than progressing.

I still say he gets the remaining games. I don't care how bad he plays, he starts. The season is a wash and this is now "the RGIII audition tour." I was willing to give him a pass in Minnesota b/c he had been out. No such pass for TBay.

Six games to prove you're the man Griffin - that's a tall order.