The everything Gruden thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

[Gary84Clark]

Jay Gruden grade for Colts game = F+. Colt threw for 350 yards, he had a good fantasy game so Gruden gets a plus on that F.

[Meks]

No one and done, your a clown for starting this thread.

[skinsguy]

I definitely think the Redskins should have punted on fourth down instead of going for it. They were down by two scores with plenty of time left and an offense that was starting to heat up. Gruden really screwed the pooch there. However, I've see Bilicheck make the same call before (and I have also seen him fail), so I can't fault Gruden too much. I understand that Gruden is merely evaluating the team. I understand the team has no shot at making the playoffs. But, I also understand there is a time where a call is gutsy and where it is just stupid. I have to say, it was a stupid call.

Still, though, Gruden deserves another chance with an upgraded roster. Getting rid of him after one season is not going to do your franchise any favors in my opinion. The changes, some type of change anyway, needs to happen on the front office level.

[skinsfan69]

What is AJ Smith's role? He's got a successful past of building a team. Does he have a say in all of this?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What is AJ Smith's role? He's got a successful past of building a team. Does he have a say in all of this?

Think he's relatively heavily involved in the draft process and "internal evaluations" whatever that means

As for Jay Gruden, I don't have the stats to back it up but I think that rookie coaches who struggle early on but turn it around usually do it for the next team they coach

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Think he's relatively heavily involved in the draft process and "internal evaluations" whatever that means



As for Jay Gruden, I don't have the stats to back it up but I think that rookie coaches who struggle early on but turn it around usually do it for the next team they coach

Maybe, but i would imagine its because they arent given a real chance to prove themselves, no?


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[KI Skins Fan]

Before even thinking of replacing Gruden I would hope that higher management will wait to see if the team will play hard for him the rest of the way. To me, that's a key factor in allowing him to continue as HC.

As for the ability of the players, some of that can be addressed with personnel changes in the offseason but right now Gruden needs to get a solid team effort out of the current players the rest of the way.

If he does, I would hope that he will have earned another season as HC. If he doesn't, it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to be fired.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Before even thinking of replacing Gruden I would hope that higher management will wait to see if the team will play hard for him the rest of the way. To me, that's a key factor in allowing him to continue as HC.

As for the ability of the players, some of that can be addressed with personnel changes in the offseason but right now Gruden needs to get a solid team effort out of the current players the rest of the way.

If he does, I would hope that he will have earned another season as HC. If he doesn't, it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to be fired.

This is what I've been trying to say. You nailed it.

[skinsfan69]

I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?

i thought haslett should have been canned a while ago and i do have some sympathy for him in terms of clark or amerson just flat missing their assignments but ....

1. i think our FA approach of spending money on the pass rush and not so much the secondary was in part due to haslett's wish to "get after the qb and everything else will take care of itself" ... haslett is absolutely to blame for us not being able to get to the QB.

2. he is a below average coach at best. good coaches can get more out of less or deal with injuries or mask weaknesses.

he has had some good games but overall he must go.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?

It's also not his fault when the offense can only put up 3 points after the defense gets three turnovers. I still think he needs to go, but that alone is not going to solve the problems the team has.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's also not his fault when the offense can only put up 3 points after the defense gets three turnovers. I still think he needs to go, but that alone is not going to solve the problems the team has.

I don't think people realize how the offense and defense play hand in hand. If we go up even 17-0 early with those turnovers. It changes the whole game for our defense.

[saden1]

“I saw they had a guy play bump and run on DeSean [Jackson] with a safety, not much help” Gruden said. “So I decided on a play-action pass and launch it to DeSean and try to get it. I got a little greedy. That’s all I can say and we blew the protection.”

Wow...we blew the protection? Is this fcking clown serious? You can't play action and expect Morris et al to protected when they overload one side and send he house. He sounds like RG3. No wonder nobody takes responsibility or is held accountable!

Get this garbage ass mofo out of here!