Post game

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

It isn't.just a loss, it is a pattern that isn't.very encouraging. We had our destiny back in our own hands and blew it in an epic way. If we played well and lost, that would be not that bad, but to come out flat in a game with playoff implications isn't good.

Having high expectations for a team with a lot of faults is never good. We've won games in spite of our defense, and we've lost games because of our defense. Even the games we won our defense has yet to have a game where they shut down a team. So when a team comes along and shuts down our offense, which is the main reason we win games, our odds of winning decrease to almost nil. Is this team better than it was two years ago? Yes. Is there still room for improvement? Obviously. Have faith in the long term plan. I don't think there's any way McC ignores the defense again this year. And at this point they'll probably bring in a new coordinator just to top it off.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Having high expectations for a team with a lot of faults is never good. We've won games in spite of our defense, and we've lost games because of our defense. Even the games we won our defense has yet to have a game where they shut down a team. So when a team comes along and shuts down our offense, which is the main reason we win games, our odds of winning decrease to almost nil. Is this team better than it was two years ago? Yes. Is there still room for improvement? Obviously. Have faith in the long term plan. I don't think there's any way McC ignores the defense again this year. And at this point they'll probably bring in a new coordinator just to top it off.

Great post!!!!!!! But your post basically says it all in how we really aren't a playoff team this year. That D can't be counted on for a "must stop". If the offense sputters, we are screwed. I know I tend to be negative, but we played with a purpose last December to get the title, now it seems like "MEH".

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Great post!!!!!!! But your post basically says it all in how we really aren't a playoff team this year. That D can't be counted on for a "must stop". If the offense sputters, we are screwed. I know I tend to be negative, but we played with a purpose last December to get the title, now it seems like "MEH".

Even last year when we were winning out to make the playoffs, our d played just good enough to win. This year it feels like we've forced 3 turnovers in the last two months, and that was our saving grace early on when we were winning games. Last night was probably the best game we've played defensively in months, and they still put 26 on us. Seems like with this team we can never play a complete game.

[MTK]

Kirk's contract will be based on his 2015-16 body of work. An off game here and there won't change anything.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Kirk's contract will be based on his 2015-16 body of work. An off game here and there won't change anything.

I agree for the most part, but I do believe that not making the playoffs, redzone stats, or being clutch against bad teams like the Panthers will come into negotiating.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree for the most part, but I do believe that not making the playoffs, redzone stats, or being clutch against bad teams like the Panthers will come into negotiating.

Yes this is what I meant by his price coming down a bit.

I am a Kirk fan. He deserves to be paid and will be. I am worried we will fck it up because we have zero leverage. Off games like Carolina will give us at least a little bit of negotiating room. Otherwise Kirk can write his own cheque.

A second franchise tag is an option but a bad one. It's a huge cap hit and leads to bad blood. And what happens in 2018? Franchise again for $34M??

Skins will have to bite the bullet and pay the guy. If we try to get cute it will get ugly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree for the most part, but I do believe that not making the playoffs, redzone stats, or being clutch against bad teams like the Panthers will come into negotiating.

The market sets the price, the team will have very little in terms of leverage. KC is in the driver's seat and both sides know it.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Kirk's contract will be based on his 2015-16 body of work. An off game here and there won't change anything.

Both seasons will have 25 - 29 tds and 10-12 ints. He will get paid

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Both seasons will have 25 - 29 tds and 10-12 ints. He will get paid

I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.

If I'm not mistaken we do have the right to negotiate with him before other teams? No way this team plays hardball with Kirk, aka "take 20 mil/year or walk." He will get 5 years, 125 mil, 70-80mil guaranteed. Just the way of the biz.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.

Skins already said they'll tag him again

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Skins already said they'll tag him again

I hope not. They should either sign him to a long term deal or let him walk.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Skins already said they'll tag him again

Let him live in his la la land

[Evilgrin]

I think Reed lost it because the guy was yanking on his arms. He probably shouldn't have been in the game, because Carolina was probably going to target his injury.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I think Reed lost it because the guy was yanking on his arms. He probably shouldn't have been in the game, because Carolina was probably going to target his injury.

That wasn't his injured arm.
He did take a cheap shot in his injured shoulder earlier in the game though.