ALEX SMITH and moving forward.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know everyone is having a Smith lovefest. Really hope it all works out with him. But had the Redskins been patient, or had some vision they could have possibly signed one of the top FA QB's, kept Fuller and the pick, plus maybe saved money on the cap. W/ Smith as our starter, we're probably not better than Philly and possibly Dallas. We're worse at corner and down a 3rd rounder. How does that make us better?

If we sign DRC or Scandrick we will be fine, both of those guys are quality CB's. They wanted Alex right after the season ended, Doug said it in his presser. Fuller was a good player but Smith is a must have. I still don't understand why a 3rd CB would be more valuable than a top 12 QB?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If we sign DRC or Scandrick we will be fine, both of those guys are quality CB's. They wanted Alex right after the season ended, Doug said it in his presser. Fuller was a good player but Smith is a must have. I still don't understand why a 3rd CB would be more valuable than a top 12 QB?

Scandrick was never quite the same after his ACL/MCL tear a couple of years ago. He has lost a step. He fractured two vertebrae in his back last season, oddly against Washington, and was placed on IR. So he has not played any snaps since that happened. Something to keep in mind......

He is a one-trick-pony, good slot cover, but since his ACL surgery, he did not matchup as well with the outside guys.

He is a guy you want in your locker room though. Never heard anything but great things on his leadership and how good of a teammate he is.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Scandrick was never quite the same after his ACL/MCL tear a couple of years ago. He has lost a step. He fractured two vertebrae in his back last season, oddly against Washington, and was placed on IR. So he has not played any snaps since that happened. Something to keep in mind......

He is a one-trick-pony, good slot cover, but since his ACL surgery, he did not matchup as well with the outside guys.

He is a guy you want in your locker room though. Never heard anything but great things on his leadership and how good of a teammate he is.

which is what this team needs, true LEADERS and mentors.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Scandrick was never quite the same after his ACL/MCL tear a couple of years ago. He has lost a step. He fractured two vertebrae in his back last season, oddly against Washington, and was placed on IR. So he has not played any snaps since that happened. Something to keep in mind......

He is a one-trick-pony, good slot cover, but since his ACL surgery, he did not matchup as well with the outside guys.

He is a guy you want in your locker room though. Never heard anything but great things on his leadership and how good of a teammate he is.

Well, we really want to fill a slot CB spot, so if he can cover them good, maybe he actually would work out. Still I wouldn't be a fan of the move (unless he gives a game winning int against the cowboys )

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If we sign DRC or Scandrick we will be fine, both of those guys are quality CB's. They wanted Alex right after the season ended, Doug said it in his presser. Fuller was a good player but Smith is a must have. I still don't understand why a 3rd CB would be more valuable than a top 12 QB?

It isn’t more valuable it is just that we forced our own hand, and if we had played our cards better we would not have had to give that up for the quarterback.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It isn’t more valuable it is just that we forced our own hand, and if we had played our cards better we would not have had to give that up for the quarterback.

True point but I'm Just Saying I'd rather have AS over KF, we will see who had the better end of the deal in a few years though.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

True point but I'm Just Saying I'd rather have AS over KF, we will see who had the better end of the deal in a few years though.

No doubt that id rather have AS over KF too. But it was AS over KF, a third round pick, and Cousins at the end of the day.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know everyone is having a Smith lovefest. Really hope it all works out with him. But had the Redskins been patient, or had some vision they could have possibly signed one of the top FA QB's, kept Fuller and the pick, plus maybe saved money on the cap. W/ Smith as our starter, we're probably not better than Philly and possibly Dallas. We're worse at corner and down a 3rd rounder. How does that make us better?

In the past 5years, Cousins has had 52 interceptions and 15 fumbles, Alex Smith has had 33 and 9, or about 100 points lost, What's a turnover worth.

Believing that those splits will continue (at least for Alex Smith since we actually have more years to support that)that difference alone will make up for losing Fuller, assuming a reasonably able replacement is gotten and that we don't play defense with 10 players from now on.

The pick, yeah that's a cost, but Allen has been pretty good at getting picks back via trade. I think they were really hoping to get the 3rd for Sua, and maybe they still will. That said, next year we should see an extra 3rd or maybe 2.

The only other FA qb we could/should have looked at was Keenum, and he would have saved us only 2M more in salary cap this year than AS. So unless you were going with a true wing and a prayer solution at QB, the salary cap hit was a non issue.

As for being better or worse than Dallas/Philly. Our worst opponent last year was injuries. If we stay healthy, we will certainly be competitive in the division, and if our offense isn't turning over the ball in the redzone we will be better than last year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

In the past 5years, Cousins has had 52 interceptions and 15 fumbles, Alex Smith has had 33 and 9, or about 100 points lost, What's a turnover worth.

Believing that those splits will continue (at least for Alex Smith since we actually have more years to support that)that difference alone will make up for losing Fuller, assuming a reasonably able replacement is gotten and that we don't play defense with 10 players from now on.

The pick, yeah that's a cost, but Allen has been pretty good at getting picks back via trade. I think they were really hoping to get the 3rd for Sua, and maybe they still will. That said, next year we should see an extra 3rd or maybe 2.

The only other FA qb we could/should have looked at was Keenum, and he would have saved us only 2M more in salary cap this year than AS. So unless you were going with a true wing and a prayer solution at QB, the salary cap hit was a non issue.

As for being better or worse than Dallas/Philly. Our worst opponent last year was injuries. If we stay healthy, we will certainly be competitive in the division, and if our offense isn't turning over the ball in the redzone we will be better than last year.

Kirk was also top 5 in INT's on 3rd downs and 4th qtr INT's. Those are the most crucial times to have a TO. Alex is a smarter player with the ball and that is very obvious. Plus Smith is great in the RZ for his career, another thing Kirk was not great at.

Smith had 25 Td's to 0 Ints in the RZ this year alone.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

In the past 5years, Cousins has had 52 interceptions and 15 fumbles, Alex Smith has had 33 and 9, or about 100 points lost, What's a turnover worth.

Believing that those splits will continue (at least for Alex Smith since we actually have more years to support that)that difference alone will make up for losing Fuller, assuming a reasonably able replacement is gotten and that we don't play defense with 10 players from now on.

The pick, yeah that's a cost, but Allen has been pretty good at getting picks back via trade. I think they were really hoping to get the 3rd for Sua, and maybe they still will. That said, next year we should see an extra 3rd or maybe 2.

The only other FA qb we could/should have looked at was Keenum, and he would have saved us only 2M more in salary cap this year than AS. So unless you were going with a true wing and a prayer solution at QB, the salary cap hit was a non issue.

As for being better or worse than Dallas/Philly. Our worst opponent last year was injuries. If we stay healthy, we will certainly be competitive in the division, and if our offense isn't turning over the ball in the redzone we will be better than last year.

Philly was better in week one when we were healthy. But all good valid points, although I probably would only judge Cousins numbers from the last 3 years he started. I'm hoping Smith will be better in the red zone that Cousins was.

[MTK]

Are we really still nitpicking the Smith move? We basically got the best QB available outside of Brees (and he was never truly available) at a pretty good price too.

I don’t want to hear about someone like Keenum being a better option, he had one good year playing on an absolutely loaded team. The Broncos didn’t exactly make a huge commitment to him with only a 2 year deal, they could definitely still end up drafting someone.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

Are we really still nitpicking the Smith move? We basically got the best QB available outside of Brees (and he was never truly available) at a pretty good price too.

I don’t want to hear about someone like Keenum being a better option, he had one good year playing on an absolutely loaded team. The Broncos didn’t exactly make a huge commitment to him with only a 2 year deal, they could definitely still end up drafting someone.

Well this is a Alex Smith thread. :-)

[MTK]

And moving forward

[WillH]

Originally Posted by MTK

And moving forward

I agree that in the moment there should be no question that this is the surest move they could have made to have a top 15 QB on the roster.

Keenum was the second veteran option, and would be betting on a guy with one good season. Maybe you pair him with a midround project, but what are the chances that duo would bring anything but more mediocrity?

If we wanted to draft any of the top 4 QBs we'd be in a ridiculous bidding war right now to trade up. A move that would likely cripple us for years all over again.

In the end though, AS will always be bench marked against Cousins, Keenum, and the rookies this year, if any of them out play him, everyone will in retrospect say it was the wrong move.

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[metalskins]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree that in the moment there should be no question that this is the surest move they could have made to have a top 15 QB on the roster.

Keenum was the second veteran option, and would be betting on a guy with one good season. Maybe you pair him with a midround project, but what are the chances that duo would bring anything but more mediocrity?

If we wanted to draft any of the top 4 QBs we'd be in a ridiculous bidding war right now to trade up. A move that would likely cripple us for years all over again.

In the end though, AS will always be bench marked against Cousins, Keenum, and the rookies this year, if any of them out play him, everyone will in retrospect say it was the wrong move.

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I think regardless, it was the only move the 'skins could've made other than to have paid Cousins twice as much as he would have taken with the Vikings - and then would've crippled any chances of filling out the rest of the roster.

In the end, I think Smith can easily play until he's 40.