Kareem Hunt cut

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I might have given him a pass if the chick was Rhonda Rousey, Hunt was the size of a thoroughbred jockey and she had him cornered. Other than that no excuse. He wasn't really defending himself he broke free and came after her after they were separated. I have a personal zero tolerance for men who physically abuse women or children. Do it once and you are done as far as I am concerned, nothing will redeem you in my eyes. Screw all the psycho babble making excuses. My father was a wife beating child abuser and I never did either of those things.

Good for you man. Alot of times that shit gets passed down for generations. Good job.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Or walk away. Im pretty sure if he can handle an nfl linebacker bearing down on him at running speed that he could handle her without “defending “ himself. On top of that he is just dumb if he didn’t know he was on camera. Listen man if u got beat up by girls your entire life than just tell us and maybe you will get a pass but if not you got a lot of manning up to do. Damn.

He doesn't have to walk away. Nor should he walk away. Nobody has a right to threaten another human being. Jumping in somebody's face is very threatening. If I did get beat up by girls my entire life it's one thing I know. You can't whip me. That is all you need to know.

[skinsnut]

BTW. This isn't just a shove a woman thing. This is a shove ANYONE thing. We praise a lifetime of training football players to hit ,hit, hit...yet we're appalled when they do it off the field. We are frankly hypocrites. BTW, what about Fights with other guys? The real issue is Anger and harming others off the field. And this showboating and taunting generally reflects an arrogant in you face attitude along these same lines. It is possible to play football and stay cool. Look at Art Monk. However, he is not the norm. Violence begets violence. Football is a violent sport of striking those in conflict with you. I am not surprised at all.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

BTW. This isn't just a shove a woman thing. This is a shove ANYONE thing. We praise a lifetime of training football players to hit ,hit, hit...yet we're appalled when they do it off the field. We are frankly hypocrites. BTW, what about Fights with other guys? The real issue is Anger and harming others off the field. And this showboating and taunting generally reflects an arrogant in you face attitude along these same lines. It is possible to play football and stay cool. Look at Art Monk. However, he is not the norm. Violence begets violence. Football is a violent sport of striking those in conflict with you. I am not surprised at all.

Are you saying they have difficulty differentiating between their job and public life? Not sure I agree.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Are you saying they have difficulty differentiating between their job and public life? Not sure I agree.

Not at all. But is you have been trained, as a child to hit, hit, hit. And do so through teenage years, etc. You are more likely to hit than if you were trained to hug, hug, hug.

Most careers are not trained since a child. Particularly encouraging physical hitting as a positive attribute.
Cops and military may also exhibit similar issues as they too are typically from anhitting is good mentality as a child or adolencent. Although not a regularly as daily hitting training.

Don't kill me on that. I am just saying if you train to hit, hit, hit, you are probably more likely to hit in anger or under pressure. We do what we are trained to do.

[skinsfan69]

The Clev police dept didn't charge him w/ anything.

[skinsnut]

Along the lines of off the field violence, why is it that RBs are so vilolent vs kickers and QBs? It seems certain "deliver a hit" positions seem to have a disproportionate amount of off field hitting others issues.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Along the lines of off the field violence, why is it that RBs are so vilolent vs kickers and QBs? It seems certain "deliver a hit" positions seem to have a disproportionate amount of off field hitting others issues.

Is there a study on arrests by position of NFL players?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Along the lines of off the field violence, why is it that RBs are so vilolent vs kickers and QBs? It seems certain "deliver a hit" positions seem to have a disproportionate amount of off field hitting others issues.

Josh Brown was a kicker. I don't know if there is data one way or the other for your question.

[Chico23231]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...illance-video/

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this. That’s a typical “not my job” response to people who are supposed to be advocates for victims of crimes

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...illance-video/

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this. That’s a typical “not my job” response to people who are supposed to be advocates for victims of crimes

This is sickening.
The news about the rape kits getting destroyed is even worse.
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Po...501664231.html

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...illance-video/

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this.

This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/2542...tion-ray-rices
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/2542...tion-ray-rices
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.

Yeah, it's pretty terrible that the only way the video got released was from a hotel employee (probably ex-hotel employee) selling it to TMZ.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/2542...tion-ray-rices
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.

Joe can probably shed more light on this being a lawyer but if the DA or police did release that video so much for finding an unbiased jury they are really protecting not derailing the justice system. Also even if charges are not filed I think it is still classified as evidence. It is not domain of the public the city of Cleveland has no responsibility to help the NFL with its investigation as awful as we think that might sound. I am surprised however that this wasn't leaked to a media outlet sooner.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Joe can probably shed more light on this being a lawyer but if the DA or police did release that video so much for finding an unbiased jury they are really protecting not derailing the justice system. Also even if charges are not filed I think it is still classified as evidence. It is not domain of the public the city of Cleveland has no responsibility to help the NFL with its investigation as awful as we think that might sound. I am surprised however that this wasn't leaked to a media outlet sooner.

In Virginia, if the video was seized as evidence, it is shielded from FOIA requests during the investigation and or trial.

Also, the prosecution would not be allowed to release the video under the bar ethics rules because of what you mentioned. But the police would not be under the same constraints and could do so, but it would be in poor form imo until the criminal case got going in court.

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