Bucs Postgame

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

The game went better than I expected, I thought we would lose badly. The defense didn't do much to support the team although they did prevent Bucs from scoring TDs in red zone, which is not easy considering the offense weapons Bucs have. The Dline excluding Payne was dominated by Bucs Oline.

We should bring Heinicke back for next year and have him compete for the starter spot. At this point, we have no idea who our QB will be so we definitely will need to have a QB competition during the training camp. I'm having hard time seeing Ryan and Stafford being released by their teams so I think we will have limited QB options so we need to look everywhere to find QBs to compete with Heinicke. I would absolutely love to keep Heinicke as back up if he doesn't win the starter spot.

Sorry you spelled dominating wrong. It’s spelled “held all night and never called”. It was blatantly obvious all night. The pics are on here.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Sorry you spelled dominating wrong. It’s spelled “held all night and never called”. It was blatantly obvious all night. The pics are on here.

I saw Payne getting held some, but Sweat and Young they just seemed to be less dominant. That could be because the middle of the pocket didnt collapse as much but I know Chase was definitely not in the play as much as in other games.

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[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I saw Payne getting held some, but Sweat and Young they just seemed to be less dominant. That could be because the middle of the pocket didnt collapse as much but I know Chase was definitely not in the play as much as in other games.

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There was another one where the center grabbed and threw down Allen. Sweat and Chase were being held a fair amount as well. Just is what it is. What sucked even more was the totally phantom holding call on Scherff on Heinike’s first down run.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

There was another one where the center grabbed and threw down Allen. Sweat and Chase were being held a fair amount as well. Just is what it is. What sucked even more was the totally phantom holding call on Scherff on Heinike’s first down run.

I agree they got away with some penalties, but the Tampa tackles are both very good and showed it last night. With this season and a camp under his belt, Young will get better, but he has to learn some stuff about beating guys like these to get to the next level. I expect him to make the kind of step Sweat made already, and between them be very dangerous to play against from here on out.

[AnonEmouse]

I've tried to write this as a critical analysis and not some homeboy coloured piece. I couldn't stay up late this morning and watch the game live, so I watched the game after I got up this morning, so maybe it's because it was the cold light of day and not the heat of the moment, but I can only agree with some of what's been written already.

But suffice to say, I'm proud to call myself a fan of WFT today.

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First of all Heinicke exceeded expectations and then some. Was he great? No, he was very very good. He made a few mistakes and got lucky on 1 or 2 throws (and unlucky on the INT), but he put the ball up there and gave us a chance. We certainly didn't lose because of him. Is he starter material? From the small sample size I have to say no, but he's a potential reliable backup; based on what I've seen it's obvious his injury history is why he was out of the league, not his ability. But as some have alluded to, durability is a big factor in an NFL QB and I'm not sure he has that. I mean, TB is 43, still playing close to the top of his game and a good part of that is largely staying healthy. I'd definitely re-sign him but he's not our answer to QB1 at this point.

RB's - the running game sucked but against this D we really should have known it would. The Buccs play D as a unit, while they have a few star players, they have a lot of good players that play as a solid team, each owning and executing his responsibility. Our D is almost there (I'd say 2 good LB's and a top CB away), and should look to the Buccs D for inspiration. To complain about the run game isn't giving credit to a fantastic run D. I was a little disappointed to see a lack of screen passes, but to bitch at the backs for lack of involvement in the passing game belies the Buccs scheme; our backs were covered very well coming out of the backfield.

WR's - McLaurin aside, who I didn't see do anything less than expected of him, I was again impressed by Cam Sims. He's not a #2 starter, but he is the 2nd best in a poor corps. But he and Steve Sims dropped key passes. In a playoff game. Regardless of what happens with Harmon and AGG (who haven't proven anything yet), we have to upgrade our #2 and maybe #3 positions and give whoever is QB next year more options. Last night underlined what we already know there. The only 2 I would say a this point have nailed on roster spots in '21 are Terry and Cam.

TE - Thomas had a good game but got lost at times and again proved he needs more work on his run blocking. He might be our Goedert to an future Ertz, but proved we need a top prospect TE who can help the running game not just the pass. He's the only one I'd say has a lock on a roster spot.

OL - Again, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here, they have played well, maybe above their collective unit ability, but this was THE best run defence in the NFL and by some margin. Expecting to move them off the line and gain chunk yardage? Nope. But pass blocking was definitely above average. Heinicke had time to throw and didn't face a constantly collapsing pocket as we've seen before. We have to sign Scherff as he's clearly a leader on that unit, and has the capability to be a perennial all pro with some more support around him. I'd bring them all back next year, but we have to draft an LT and try to upgrade LG. Maybe even look for an upgrade to Moses.

DL - again, it's easy to critique a lack of pressure but TB's bread and butter is quick read/release passing. You have to have top coverage on the back end to force him to stay in the pocket long enough to reach him. Tie that to a good OL (Wirfs looks like a monster), and we were never getting DeAngelo Hall's 10 sacks. And run D we already know needs reinforcement, though frankly that's down to a below average LB corps more than the DL. Next year bodes very well for these guys.

LB's - aside from Holcomb I'm not expecting anyone else to be starting next year, or maybe not even on the team. Bostic had a couple of good plays but was otherwise invisible. We have to upgrade here. The Brate had a good game for this very reason; we don't have coverage LB's.

DB's - aside form a couple of breakdowns they played well. Evans, Godwin and Brown and 3 VERY dangerous receivers, and Brady was putting a lot of those passes on the money. It might have been worse had they not had a few drops, but overall they kept Brady close to 50% completion and only a few big plays. There have to be 1 or upgrades here, but its a solid core and I'd definitely bring our end of season top 5 back. Upgrading LB coverage will also help here, allowing our S's to be more rangy and get picks.

ST's - Hopkins needs competition but he wasn't a negative factor factor last night, and Way gave us good field position on punts time and again. But Sims was a liability as punt returner, and I'm surprised we have nobody better on the team. And nothing against Johnson, his sole return was a solid 31 yards, but a faster, more dynamic returner would probably have broken that one big. We need more threat to change field position in the return game and last night showed it. And someone slap Apke for not knowing the rules on a muffed punt; even if it did hit the returner (and film seems to show it did) you should know you can't advance it unless it's a fumble. That's just plain dumb.

Coaching - I think Turner didn't make many bad calls, some were just not executed, but to me he's not as good a play caller as his father; he seems to be a 'stick with the scheme' guy rather than dialling up plays to make the most of the best talent he has on the field. Why was McLaurin repeatedly on crossing routes when we needed big gains (2nd or 3rd and long)? I don't know that even upgrading the skill positions, is going to make him able to use those players best. And I agree the squib kick was questionable at best. I suspect they saw something in the return team they could exploit, but to me you do that down 3+ scores, not in a tight game. And I said it last week, we needed more blitzes, though I suspect the inability of LB's to cover probably made that too risky. We didn't seem to be trying very hard to surprise Brady. But I will say, whether it was something RR did consciously or just having a lets go for it attitude, we came out much better to start with than previously this season. I honestly believe that's something about having a QB that wasn't hobbled physically or by his skill set. The fact we went deep early and often was good and something we should have done more of this year (had we been able to?).

Overall we played well and I think we did the best we could with what we had. Showed me we are only a piece or three away from being a top 10 team. We're certainly set up to dominate the East for 2-3 years if we can get a QB1.

But I do agree with one thing that the more I think about it and re-watch some plays, the more I think it was factor - the officiating. The missed PI wasn't egregious though it stopped a drive dead, but the missed holding calls were horrendous. And I believe I saw a clear hands to the face that was missed too. We got lucky on the horse collar tackle that wasn't, but overall we had to overcome a subpar crew that helped Tampa out on at least 3-5 plays (including that punt that should have been a muff). In the regular season that would be annoying, but in the playoffs its unforgivable. Must do better NFL.

[Schneed10]

Sweat and Young were less dominant because of who they faced. Brady gets the ball out fast, and Tristan Wirfs in particular is tremendous.

The WR weapons gave us trouble, but the guy that really killed us was Cameron Brate, the #2 TE who is very athletic and took advantage of the matchups against our LBs. We have to get a more athletic LB in there with some size. Round 2 pick should be considered there.

Chase in particular will be better next season. He needs to refine his approach to beat the best Ts in the NFL.

Our offensive line was terrific in pass blocking given the opponent. Cornelius Lucas is an asset as a swing T but I hope either Charles or an acquisition this offseason can make us better there. We need a road grater in there to help the running game.

And let’s go get Watson. We saw how the mobility can help last night. Now we just need mobility and durability. Punch, you are absolutely bananas if you think Heinicke can hold up over a season. He’s far too small.

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Sweat and Young were less dominant because of who they faced. Brady gets the ball out fast, and Tristan Wirfs in particular is tremendous.

The WR weapons gave us trouble, but the guy that really killed us was Cameron Brate, the #2 TE who is very athletic and took advantage of the matchups against our LBs. We have to get a more athletic LB in there with some size. Round 2 pick should be considered there.

Chase in particular will be better next season. He needs to refine his approach to beat the best Ts in the NFL.

Our offensive line was terrific in pass blocking given the opponent. Cornelius Lucas is an asset as a swing T but I hope either Charles or an acquisition this offseason can make us better there. We need a road grater in there to help the running game.

And let’s go get Watson. We saw how the mobility can help last night. Now we just need mobility and durability. Punch, you are absolutely bananas if you think Heinicke can hold up over a season. He’s far too small.

Watson is a far better option here but would the Texans allow him to walk? Would he even consider the 'Skins? Could we afford him? A man can dream though right?

[skinsfaninok]

Heinicke had a 92 Overall grade last night... 92!!! That is the highest grade for a WFT QB in 14 years.

Tom had a 90.8 so even better than the GOAT himself..

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Heinicke had a 92 Overall grade last night... 92!!! That is the highest grade for a WFT QB in 14 years.

Tom had a 90.8 so even better than the GOAT himself..

Grades of the lines if you got them. Thanks

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Grades of the lines if you got them. Thanks

WES - 85.2 Pass Blocking grade - 48.9 Run BLKING

SCHERFF - 83 PASS BLK - 87.9 RUN BLK

LUCAS - 79 PASS BLK - 56.9 RUN BLK

ROULLIER - 70.7 PASS BLK - 57.7 RUN BLK

MOSES - 66.0 PASS BLK - 56.6 RUN BLK

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

WES - 85.2 Pass Blocking grade - 48.9 Run BLKING

SCHERFF - 83 PASS BLK - 87.9 RUN BLK

LUCAS - 79 PASS BLK - 56.9 RUN BLK

ROULLIER - 70.7 PASS BLK - 57.7 RUN BLK

MOSES - 66.0 PASS BLK - 56.6 RUN BLK

And people were talking shit about Scherff, it’s obvious who our best OL is.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And people were talking shit about Scherff, it’s obvious who our best OL is.

I just don't understand people who shit talk Scherff, first time we've had a first-team All-Pro in 25 years and people think he's overrated. All-Pro is not a popularity contest like the Pro Bowl is, that is legit recognition. It should be the end of discussion.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Bucs have the #1 ranked run d? I don't have a problem with the playcalling considering that.

[skinsfaninok]

Yes BS is a bad ass and needs to be kept.

Also guys, the Bucs DL is outstanding vs the run , they were top 10 all season in that category.

Didn't help Gibson was clearly hurt

[FrenchSkin]

I loved every second of it. We went toe to toe with the GOAT until the very last minutes. Tell us that in September we'd all be on board with it !

Not enough production from our DL, too many mistakes by our secondary, bad play calling by Turner...

But even with that we got robbed by the refs:

-Uncalled holds by their OL

-Absolute bogus holding call on Scherf on that 3rd and 7

-Followed by an absolute bullshit touchback! Play is dead when Apke controls the ball !

-Egrgious OPI on Mike Evans on the following drive !

I'll post pictures/gifs of it all next.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I loved every second of it. We went toe to toe with the GOAT until the very last minutes. Tell us that in September we'd all be on board with it !

Not enough production from our DL, too many mistakes by our secondary, bad play calling by Turner...

But even with that we got robbed by the refs:

-Uncalled holds by their OL

-Absolute bogus holding call on Scherf on that 3rd and 7

-Followed by an absolute bullshit touchback! Play is dead when Apke controls the ball !

-Egrgious OPI on Mike Evans on the following drive !

I'll post pictures/gifs of it all next.

Agree my man, I'm not mad at all! Playoffs in Ron's first season and we didn't have good QB play until now.

Kyle Allen had some potential but he's not better than Taylor