Most Overrated NFL Player?

[MTK]

Daseal is right, race has nothing to do with this conversation, so let's just stay away from that altogether.

[ST21]

ok, whatever you say Daseal, but you are wrong, even Mcnabb said it that, why do he have to be labled a black QB, and not just a QB, its not racism, i only kicked out the facts, you don't have to like it, like i said no one ever said that Fran tarkenton was overrated and i like him (how about that me liking a white QB) anyway, and Peyton Manning may be one of a few QB's who call his own plays, so whats your point, What Vick really is that dumb....oh my god i hope not, that would set us back another 20 years, and racism in sports goes back futher than the little peace you put up....and does Peyton Greatness, have anything to do with the receivers he have, I think Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all times, but how great would he have been without jerry rice, and as far as you wanting a afro, OK role with that, and far as me being a redskin fan, don't need to validate that, i been a skins fan since the early 80's so, i don't have to defend myself on that and never will, and didn't someone say that some coach who use to work for Auburn said that Jason Campbell was the dumbest player he ever coached..........there is a pattern

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

ok, whatever you say Daseal, but you are wrong, even Mcnabb said it that, why do he have to be labled a black QB, and not just a QB, its not racism, i only kicked out the facts, you don't have to like it, like i said no one ever said that Fran tarkenton was overrated and i like him (how about that me liking a white QB) anyway, and Peyton Manning may be one of a few QB's who call his own plays, so whats your point, What Vick really is that dumb....oh my god i hope not, that would set us back another 20 years, and racism in sports goes back futher than the little peace you put up....and does Peyton Greatness, have anything to do with the receivers he have, I think Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all times, but how great would he have been without jerry rice, and as far as you wanting a afro, OK role with that, and far as me being a redskin fan, don't need to validate that, i been a skins fan since the early 80's so, i don't have to defend myself on that and never will, and didn't someone say that some coach who use to work for Auburn said that Jason Campbell was the dumbest player he ever coached..........there is a pattern

Damn wewhite, look what you're making me do here. You're making me actually side with Daseal! Your post makes no sense and is so remarkably ignorant that I'm actually going to apologize in advance to everyone else on this board for even acknowledging it.

First of all, Fran Tarkenton led his team to 4 Super Bowls. Even if he didn't win it's still a feat to get there. Vick has yet to do that even once. He might one day, but he hasn't yet.

Secondly, why is that you take someone calling Vick or Campbell dumb as a knock on them because they're black? Or am I just misunderstanding you. White QBs have been labeled as dumb as well in the past. And it's not so much dumb as they just don't have football smarts.

There is no pattern here, at least not from anyone on this site so stop with that line of "reasoning"

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

ok, whatever you say Daseal, but you are wrong, even Mcnabb said it that, why do he have to be labled a black QB, and not just a QB, its not racism, i only kicked out the facts, you don't have to like it, like i said no one ever said that Fran tarkenton was overrated and i like him (how about that me liking a white QB) anyway, and Peyton Manning may be one of a few QB's who call his own plays, so whats your point, What Vick really is that dumb....oh my god i hope not, that would set us back another 20 years, and racism in sports goes back futher than the little peace you put up....and does Peyton Greatness, have anything to do with the receivers he have, I think Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all times, but how great would he have been without jerry rice, and as far as you wanting a afro, OK role with that, and far as me being a redskin fan, don't need to validate that, i been a skins fan since the early 80's so, i don't have to defend myself on that and never will, and didn't someone say that some coach who use to work for Auburn said that Jason Campbell was the dumbest player he ever coached..........there is a pattern

Take a look at who Montana's WR's were when he won his first SB, Freddie Solomon, and Dwight Clark, we are not talking superstars here. And while we are on that subject take a look at who was his RB, they had a guy named Bill Ring, and I believe a player named Cooper carring the work load, Montana may have won a SB with the least amount of talent at the skill positions than any QB in history.

[ST21]

i agree aron brooks is not close to being considered a qb, who said that......he should transfer to wr....bottom line, i agree Bigskinbauer

[BigSKINBauer]

Just wat comes to mind my list no order
Overrated
Champ Bailey, John Lynch, Brees, arrington, Sapp(but i don't think anyone thinks he is anything anymore), Ogden, VIck, Musin Muhammad, Trotter, Roy williams, Darren Sharper, ROETHLISBURGER, Smoot(was underrated now allittle overrated but not much, he will find his place in Minni) o yeah again CHAMP, Ray lewis, Brian Dawkins, micheal Lewis

Underrated
Chad Johnson(he gets lots of credit but not deserving, topped AFC 2 years straight, suffers allittle from arron Brooks desease), Springs, Fred Taylor, Randy McMicheal,ALl Our Defensive players individually, Will Demps, Tiki Barber, Marcus Trufant, COOLEY

[MTK]

We're not going to even have this conversation, so the next comments on race and QBs will get the thread locked. End of conversation period.

[Red Robert]

The hammer has fallen!

[Red Robert]

By the way, have I mentioned that whoever started this thread is a real jack ass?? Of yeah...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We're not going to even have this conversation, so the next comments on race and QBs will get the thread locked. End of conversation period.

Agreed. I apologize for adding fuel to the fire

Back to overrated players...I've always felt that Joe Namath is very overrated when you look at his entire career, and not just the Super Bowl win the "guarantee". I don't see him as one of the best QBs ever, yet it seems that many others do.

Is it just me or do others feel that way too?

[Red Robert]

Great one, TAFKAS. Without that guarantee and the media love Namith is Trent Dilfer at best. I am with you on that one.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Agreed. I apologize for adding fuel to the fire

Back to overrated players...I've always felt that Joe Namath is very overrated when you look at his entire career, and not just the Super Bowl win the "guarantee". I don't see him as one of the best QBs ever, yet it seems that many others do.

Is it just me or do others feel that way too?

somewhat, that is what made him the guarantee but first player to get 4000 yards 5 probowls, hof, but only had a couple good years top passer for 3 years
he was injury prone but was top 3 in passing yards his first 10 years for every year that he played most of the season with exeption to his rookie year. Didn't play more than 6 games 3 of those first 10 years

[jacobyfan]

"I want to kiss you"

[ST21]

sure thing...but anyway, i don't care if anyone agrees, i said because i'm not trying to hide behind, or saying that this person is dumb and this person is great, if tarkenton, went to 4 superbowl, good i like him, but he was not a traditional qb either, at the end of Vick career, then we will se where he ranks, you wanna talk about overrated players ...................................

Randel Cunningham......there you go

[wolfeskins]

Bigskinbauer
you mentioned ben roethlesburger as being overrated and i totaly agree.
sports people were cumming all over themselves last season when the name big ben was mentioned. i think we all saw the real ben during thier loss in the playoffs.