Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[53Fan]

Aren't you going to complain about your owner driving prices up Giantone? You complain about Snyder doing it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Aren't you going to complain about your owner driving prices up Giantone? You complain about Snyder doing it.

You must not have been paying attention to that post.Look up where it is I talk about PSL's and new stadiums and such and see if I don't bitch about the Giants ownership.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You must not have been paying attention to that post.Look up where it is I talk about PSL's and new stadiums and such and see if I don't bitch about the Giants ownership.

Fair enough. A quote from WalterFootball I found interesting. "Really? The Giants gave 15 million guaranteed to Antrel Rolle? The same Antrel Rolle who blows coverages and whiffs on tackles? Jerry Reese is a great GM but this move leaves me scratching my head. Was safety such a big need that Reese felt like he needed to overspend by about 7 million in guaranteed money?"

Last year your team tried to sign every d-linemen available. The strategy hardly seemed to pay off. I doubt overpaying for Rolle will result in much difference.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Fair enough. A quote from WalterFootball I found interesting. "Really? The Giants gave 15 million guaranteed to Antrel Rolle? The same Antrel Rolle who blows coverages and whiffs on tackles? Jerry Reese is a great GM but this move leaves me scratching my head. Was safety such a big need that Reese felt like he needed to overspend by about 7 million in guaranteed money?"

Last year your team tried to sign every d-linemen available. The strategy hardly seemed to pay off. I doubt overpaying for Rolle will result in much difference.

LOL....Look if I knew everything about football I wouldn't be here with you guys on a forum web page.(no ofense).Just saying ...you could be 100% right but Reese who I beleve is 1 of the best GM's in the league could not forsee the injury plaque that hit that team last year,only 3D linemen play and practiced all season.Rolle gets 15 million,so what,what do you think you guys did for D tackels last year and big Al's 40+guarenteed money,plus remember it's only a bad move if it doesn't work.

[Swarley]

I just wanna know how Giantone keeps managing to make it look like he's arguing with himself lol

[12thMan]

I really think the Giants are going to suck this year. Just wanted to put my opinion out there.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I really think the Giants are going to suck this year. Just wanted to put my opinion out there.

.....................but you think that every year.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

.....................but you think that every year.

No I don't...well, you're right I do. But I really, really do this time. Lots of questions on defense.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No I don't...well, you're right I do. But I really, really do this time. Lots of questions on defense.

I think one has to face the inevitable. Teams go through cycles. The Skins cycle was in the 80's, Dallas was in the 90's, Eagles tried to claim the 2000 but failed. As it turned out it was the Giants. So the Giants had a nice 10yr run and they are on the decline. Dallas stumbled and came back last year but I still wouldn't consider them the power house yet. The Eagles had a nice few yrs leading up to their SB year but I feel they have been on the decline due to the cycle. Players being picked up by other teams and Reids refusing to believe McNabb is washed up.

I'm not saying all this to start with the whole ....the Skins will be in the SB next year or anything. I see us as finally having realized what we were doing was not working after 20 long years and finally see us in rebuild mode. Maybe in 3-5 yrs we will be in the SB but not until we get younger, quicker, and healthier.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I really think the Giants are going to suck this year. Just wanted to put my opinion out there.

I second that for the reasons you mention elsewhere.

Changing the subject from necessary and enjoyable critiques of the Giants, Pashos signed with the Browns:
Source: Tony Pashos strikes three-year, $10.3 million deal with Browns - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Losing Pashos for $3.5m a year is the first Shanahanian move that I don't like.

[ChickenMonkey]

Changing the subject from necessary and enjoyable critiques of the Giants, Pashos signed with the Browns:
Source: Tony Pashos strikes three-year, $10.3 million deal with Browns - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Losing Pashos for $3.5m a year is the first Shanahanian move that I don't like.[/QUOTE]

Im not sold on this front office, they are doing piss poor job of fixing an offensive line. I dont see many FA OT left. Unless they plan to go OT 2 of the 5 draft picks, were going into the next year in the same position as 2009....And even if they do, youre hoping 2 rookies come in and start right away......Reaks of a slow rebuilding process

[12thMan]

Im not sold on this front office, they are doing piss poor job of fixing an offensive line. I dont see many FA OT left. Unless they plan to go OT 2 of the 5 draft picks, were going into the next year in the same position as 2009....And even if they do, youre hoping 2 rookies come in and start right away......Reaks of a slow rebuilding process[/QUOTE]


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Piss poor, really? Slow down, we haven't gotten to draft day yet.

You have to figure Casey Rabach, D.Dockery, and maybe Levi Jones will be three of your five starters. Keep in mind we signed Levi Jones late October, but now we'll have him for a full training camp. So I expect him to be in better shape and, quite frankly, a better offensive tackle. The other two spots will probably go to a drafted rookie (hopefully a really good one), Chad Rinehart and/or Artis Hicks, and maybe another FA between now and the start of the season.

All I'm saying is it's still very early and we can't grab every Tom, Dick, and Harry FA out there just because they're available.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

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Im not sold on this front office, they are doing piss poor job of fixing an offensive line. I dont see many FA OT left. Unless they plan to go OT 2 of the 5 draft picks, were going into the next year in the same position as 2009....And even if they do, youre hoping 2 rookies come in and start right away......Reaks of a slow rebuilding process

Piss poor, really? Slow down, we haven't gotten to draft day yet.

You have to figure Casey Rabach, D.Dockery, and maybe Levi Jones will be three of your five starters. Keep in mind we signed Levi Jones late October, but now we'll have him for a full training camp. So I expect him to be in better shape and, quite frankly, a better offensive tackle. The other two spots will probably go to a drafted rookie (hopefully a really good one), Chad Rinehart and/or Artis Hicks, and maybe another FA between now and the start of the season.

All I'm saying is it's still very early and we can't grab every Tom, Dick, and Harry FA out there just because they're available.[/QUOTE]

OMG.

#1- How do you know there is not a plan?
#2- How do you know they are not executing the plan?
#3- Why do we fans always believe we should be in the know on the plans?

If we knew the plans so would all the other teams and they would game plan around that. Possibly screwing us in the process.

Then there's the fact that I keep calling it rebuild mode. Yeah I know Allen said he didn't like the word or something but by avoiding the term people get the false sense of security plus with his "we are not that bad of a team" speach people are right back in the "we are just one player or 3 away from being contenders" mode. Your upset that they didn't come out ball to the walls signing people. I'm dissapointed also but seeing that we didn't just throw money away to try to solve a problem with an aged vet makes be happy. Now ask me how we are going to fill the position? I have no Fing clue. But you can't tell me we hired two inept front office/HCing people who don't know what they are doing and they wouldn't be doing it with out a plan.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Im not sold on this front office, they are doing piss poor job of fixing an offensive line. I dont see many FA OT left. Unless they plan to go OT 2 of the 5 draft picks, were going into the next year in the same position as 2009....And even if they do, youre hoping 2 rookies come in and start right away......Reaks of a slow rebuilding process

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Piss poor, really? Slow down, we haven't gotten to draft day yet.

You have to figure Casey Rabach, D.Dockery, and maybe Levi Jones will be three of your five starters. Keep in mind we signed Levi Jones late October, but now we'll have him for a full training camp. So I expect him to be in better shape and, quite frankly, a better offensive tackle. The other two spots will probably go to a drafted rookie (hopefully a really good one), Chad Rinehart and/or Artis Hicks, and maybe another FA between now and the start of the season.

All I'm saying is it's still very early and we can't grab every Tom, Dick, and Harry FA out there just because they're available.[/QUOTE]

Diminishing marginal returns.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

Changing the subject from necessary and enjoyable critiques of the Giants, Pashos signed with the Browns:
Source: Tony Pashos strikes three-year, $10.3 million deal with Browns - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Losing Pashos for $3.5m a year is the first Shanahanian move that I don't like.

Im not sold on this front office, they are doing piss poor job of fixing an offensive line. I dont see many FA OT left. Unless they plan to go OT 2 of the 5 draft picks, were going into the next year in the same position as 2009....And even if they do, youre hoping 2 rookies come in and start right away......Reaks of a slow rebuilding process[/QUOTE]


Piss poor? Come on now. A fundamental change that is needed in the FO is the squandering of cash for guys that don't earn their keep with huge contracts. I doubt AH would have been signed by Allen for $100 million. So far the the guy's stay here is mixed at the very best. With our relatively quiet FA period thus far, you can already see the change coming. How can some teams be perennial winners being tens of millions under the cap? Smart business and great scouting revolving around a good business plan. And your bitching about a slow rebuilding process? Allen and co are trying to reverse a decade old spending binge and ad hoc business model that produced substandard results. It is like trying to clean up a heroine addict. Not going to happen overnight.