Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I would bet dollars to donuts that a healthy Moss using training camp to remind everyone just how good is and that he'll use the training camp competition to earn the right to be one of the top 2 WRs on the team.

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well? How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB? We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team.

Our most explosive receiving weapons should be:
Garçon
Hankerson
Davis
Morgan
Cooley/Moss
Gaffney
Paul

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well? How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB? We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team.

Our most explosive receiving weapons should be:
Garçon
Hankerson
Davis
Morgan
Cooley/Moss
Gaffney
Paul

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR. Since we didn't, Moss may survive but don't be surprised to see a relatively high pick, even our third rounder, used on a slot type WR (Joe Adams/Ryan Broyles) for the future.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well?

We're all intitled to our opinions.
You attribute Moss decline in production last year to age, I attribute it to injury.

How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB?

Does a broken hand's effect on YAC really need to be explained?
Obviously a WR with a broken hand is gonna be effected because his ability to catch the football is effected.
YAC is about catching the ball then making a move.
A WR that is gingerly catching the ball is wasting valuable miliseconds that could be used making a move.

BTW-Its a spurious question anyway because it implies that Moss decline in YAC is a sign of age/decline.
It would be like me making some spurious claim based on Garcon's drop in YAC from 6.1 in 2009 to 2010 to 4.0.
YAC varries from year to year and would you have guessed that Moss and Garcon have the same career YPC.

....We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team

Moss isn't as fast as he used to be, but speed doesn't vanish.
Its not like Moss has gone from a 4.3 to a 4.7.
But that is besides the point anyway because even in Moss very productive 2010 season he more as slot WR and a move around guy.
Moss isn't being counted on as an 'explosive' WR but that doesn't mean that he can't be a productive WR.
And lets not forget that scheme knowledge is going to be very important with a rookie QB and 2 WRs new to the scheme.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd considering dumping them both. But I'd probably bring them both to camp.

Agree 100%.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Agree 100%.

I'll third that. If Gaffney and Moss can't step up their production by having a guy like RG3 or Luck come in then they don't deserve a roster spot. I'm putting them on notice starting April 27th.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I would bet dollars to donuts that a healthy Moss using training camp to remind everyone just how good is and that he'll use the training camp competition to earn the right to be one of the top 2 WRs on the team.

Moss will have to play the slot if he wants to make the team. We payed Garçon #1 WR money so he will be the #1 no matter what moss does on preseason.


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[30gut]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Moss will have to play the slot if he wants to make the team. We payed Garçon #1 WR money so he will be the #1 no matter what moss does on preseason.

Moss already does most of his damage from the slot.

Originally Posted by The Goat

Pretty plausible. Who's starting opposite: Garcon or Gaffney?

I guess Garcon is considered the X receiver.
But if Morgan is healthy he seems more like a true X WR then anyone else on the roster which would move Garcon to the Z.
Moss could play the slot and still be targeted like the #2 WR.

Hopefully we won't be in base personnel too much.
If we keep Moss, Gaffney, Morgan and Garcon + Fred Davis @ TE that makes for a pretty good spread shotgun line-up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Why can't we dump someone else? Armstrong? Anderson? Robinson or Paul? Banks?

Anderson? Gone
Robinson? Back to PS
Armstrong? See Ya
Banks? Outta Here

Hankerson/Garcon/Morgan/Paul (plays ST)/Draft pick

Only see room for 1 30+ year old WR.

[MTK]

With AA's speed it would be nice if he could get back on track. He's going to need to have a strong preseason.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

What's with all the Gaffney love?

[gangstalicious]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What's with all the Gaffney love?

Very telling of how deprived we are.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What's with all the Gaffney love?

I don't understand that either. I've been saying Moss has been money for us since we acquired him. Of course last season was one of his less productive ones, he was injured for what? A month or more? In which case Gaffney HAD to step up and be the #1, we had no one else. I understand that Moss is old but so is Gaffney.

Apparently 1 productive season is worth more than several years worth in these parts. I'm not saying Moss is far superior, but he's equal if not a bit better than and if anyone should be dumped, it should be both of them.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't understand that either. I've been saying Moss has been money for us since we acquired him. Of course last season was one of his less productive ones, he was injured for what? A month or more? In which case Gaffney HAD to step up and be the #1, we had no one else. I understand that Moss is old but so is Gaffney.

Apparently 1 productive season is worth more than several years worth in these parts. I'm not saying Moss is far superior, but he's equal if not a bit better than and if anyone should be dumped, it should be both of them.

For me it's more Gaffney by default, not it terms of Gaffney v Moss (because I think we should keep both), because he has experience in the system and performed well last year in pretty lousy circumstances i.e. Rex/Beck and no real WR threat playing opposite. Garcon is new to the system, as is Morgan but he's also coming off injury. Add in Hankerson's injury and I actually won't be surprised if Moss and Gaffney are Griffin's main WR targets to start the regular season.

I don't get the Madden mentality you can just plug flashy new FA WRs into a new system w/ a new QB and wham you have instant chemistry. I hope that happens, just don't believe it to be likely.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What's with all the Gaffney love?

Jabar Gaffney might not be a #1 receiver, but at times he played like it last year. The guy was money. I've always been a fan of Gaffney. Look for Gaffney to be open underneath all season long while Garcon and Moss go deep.