Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

In one season and half Harbaugh has 5 more wins than Mike's two season and half. In what way has this team improved? We were always competitive but so is every team in the NFL. He has done nothing to prove that he deserves to be here.

Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.

Before Harbaugh a lot of those players were not names you can list off like that. Singletary went 5-10 with a lot of those same players. We had carlos rogers so to list him makes us seem dumb to let him go. Unlike the 49ers Shanahan cannot make significant draft picks outside the 1st and 2nd round. Bowman, Snyder and gholdson were not high draft picks. The 49ers are only one example, what the Giants did the first three years under coughlin also showed they were building a team. What we have done under Mikes tenure is lose one more game every season. To say that some one inherits a talented team is basically saying the coach gets the most of his players unlike the coach before him. That is what Harbuagh does, that is what Coughlin does, that is what Sean payton does, Belichick, Smith, all the good coaches in the NFL. Coaches get the best out of their players... Shanahan does not do that. Orakpo, Kerrigan, Carriker, Fred Davis, Trent Williams, Landry, Rogers, Fletcher (excluding this year) Redskins are talented, but its obvious they are not coached to be the best they can be.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Before Harbaugh a lot of those players were not names you can list off like that. Singletary went 5-10 with a lot of those same players. We had carlos rogers so to list him makes us seem dumb to let him go. Unlike the 49ers Shanahan cannot make significant draft picks outside the 1st and 2nd round. Bowman, Snyder and gholdson were not high draft picks. The 49ers are only one example, what the Giants did the first three years under coughlin also showed they were building a team. What we have done under Mikes tenure is lose one more game every season. To say that some one inherits a talented team is basically saying the coach gets the most of his players unlike the coach before him. That is what Harbuagh does, that is what Coughlin does, that is what Sean payton does, Belichick, Smith, all the good coaches in the NFL. Coaches get the best out of their players... Shanahan does not do that. Orakpo, Kerrigan, Carriker, Fred Davis, Trent Williams, Landry, Rogers, Fletcher (excluding this year) Redskins are talented, but its obvious they are not coached to be the best they can be.

If you were paying attention you could. The Niners were a 'sleeping giant' for years out west. Remember, most pundits picked them to win the West the year Singletary crapped the bed with them. They had talent but needed it to come together. Can you say we've had comparable talent? Really? No other team has completely remade their roster and had fast success.

So based on you rattling off Harbaugh, Coughlin, Belichick, Smith all of the 'good coaches' are you implying that any of them would be winning with our current roster (and injuries) AND that talent is secondary to coaching ability?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.

Harbaugh also didn't come in and try and trade for an over the hill QB. He coached up what he had and molded a low risk offense around Smith. Mike wasn't willing to do that so he has to be held accountable cause the trade blew up in his face.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Harbaugh also didn't come in and try and trade for an over the hill QB. He coached up what he had and molded a low risk offense around Smith. Mike wasn't willing to do that so he has to be held accountable cause the trade blew up in his face.

Yes, Shanahan made a bad trade for McNabb. Any other 2010 thread topics you'd like to revisit? Are you suggesting fire him now for a 2010 move?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

edit: Whatever happened to "doing it the right way" and "5 years" and "patience" and "Snyder meddling" and "coaching carousel" and "we've changed"? Did we think we just say those things and we still get instant gratification? OK, that's all I wanted to add.

Some of us are paying close(r) attention to what transpires

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Some of us are paying close(r) attention to what transpires

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Although I doubt if Shanahan gets fired, I'll answer these questions.

#1. I would prefer having GM Bruce Allen picking the players.

#2. If Mike Shanahan is fired, I would pick a coach like Mike Singletary. Singletary wasn't good in SF, but neither was Bellichick in Cleveland.

#3. I would employ a west coast offense. If Singletary opts not to keep Kyle Shanahan around, I would definitely see Brian Schottenhiemer or maybe somebody who is well versed in the west coast system.

#4. I like that DC from Notre Dame. He runs a crushing 34 defense.

#5. Hard to answer this question. But I would get draft picks and key free agents to bolster this defensive system. I like who we already have, but the entire secondary would be revamped.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

This should be a fresh thread.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This should be a fresh thread.

Consider it done..

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

This is the only reason I'm not for firing Shanahan. Who is going to replace him? What is the FO structure going to be like?

People say Sean Payton but he is not coming here, vacancy or not. Even if he did its no guarantee that he will turn the Skins into a success story. Why would he or any up and coming candidate come here? Without first round draft picks and a reduced salary cap starting a team and getting him what he'll need will be difficult, at best. And with it being his first year any forward progress won't be seen for a couple of years.

For better or worse we're stuck with MS. I don't see things getting but stranger things have happen.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I feel it's better to keep Mike Shanahan as the HC. Let him continue rebuilding this team. Let him remain until his 5 year contract is up and if the Redskins still haven't shown overall improvement by then, just don't re-sign him. It's a trying situation because I don't want to see a coach fired and then have RG3 go through the exact same BS that Jason Campbell went through with having to learn a new playbook every year. Let Mike Shanahan continue to do what he does.

Last year the defense was the Redskins strength and the offense was average. This year the offense is TOP GUN and the defense smells awfully bad and is holding the team back. At what point do you have a season in which both the offense and the defense are top 10 and the Redskins are consistent winners week in and week out because of it? It's a really trying situation.

[skinsguy]

LOL! Mike Singletary? You gotta be kidding me! Brian Schottenhiemer has already been in Washington. While I could be wrong, I doubt he'd want to ever come back.

[InsaneBoost]

Though I wouldn't do it, I don't know if it shouldn't happen either. It appears he's lost the team to an extent and I'm getting sick of his excuses. Just waiting for the new scapegoat to hide behind. DeAngelo Hall?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

It appears he's lost the team to an extent

UUmm...no