Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I believe anout shanny losing the team.

Or It might be about him pissing off a bunch of players in the locker room. But SS, weren't you the one that keeps saying the mood and environment at Redskins park is so much better now? If so, that's a damn short turnaround from changing the attitude and feeling of an entire organization, to a bunch of players losing the faith and confidence in their coaching staff halfway through the season. And I'd also wager that the defense knows damn well they suck donkey balls, and probably aren't in the greatest of spirits either. Shipping it in and saying things like shanny did is most definitely not the smartest thing to air out in front of your quarterback that you just bet the farm on. Too bad that farm has a thoroughbred, and not much else. Maybe some lame, dying calfs and a small chicken ( Brandon Banks ).

Shanahan is becoming the HC version of Cam Newton with his attitude and idiotic pressers. Newton without the previous years successes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Or It might be about him pissing off a bunch of players in the locker room. But SS, weren't you the one that keeps saying the mood and environment at Redskins park is so much better now? If so, that's a damn short turnaround from changing the attitude and feeling of an entire organization, to a bunch of players losing the faith and confidence in their coaching staff halfway through the season. And I'd also wager that the defense knows damn well they suck donkey balls, and probably aren't in the greatest of spirits either. Shipping it in and saying things like shanny did is most definitely not the smartest thing to air out in front of your quarterback that you just bet the farm on. Too bad that farm has a thoroughbred, and not much else. Maybe some lame, dying calfs and a small chicken ( Brandon Banks ).

Shanahan is becoming the HC version of Cam Newton with his attitude and idiotic pressers. Newton without the previous years successes.

What I said were a couple of key players have been upset with Haslett. That's it

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

he is now. that is all that counts to me. I don't care about him with indy, just like I didn't care about shanahans pre skins record or sucesses/failures. But now, after the team moving backwards other than RG3 and ALMo, his past is definitely becoming a pretty damning argument, as is his present.

Totally agree with everything. Cant blame Shanny for not knowing Garcon was gonna get hurt but I blame him for alot also. You know that.

[punch it in]

Edit : wrong thread sorry

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lets just say MS is gone - next year - year after - whatever and Kyle aint in line to take over. What is everyones thoughts on these two guys.
Russ Grimm
Perry Fewell
Just curious?

Take a look at the latest threads you'll find a place to discuss that

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Take a look at the latest threads you'll find a place to discuss that

Yeah sorry.
Moved it.

[Mechanix544]

As well they should be. But I believe that Shanahan deserves most of the blame. These are all his guys, after all. I am so tired of being negative about the redskins, but I really see the team as a whole regressing while RG3 tries to pick up the pieces himself. I am sure that he is capable, but the lack of help, even just on the defensive side of the ball, does not bode well for the future of the organization. Unless Shanahan has a deck full of aces up his sleeve, the way I see it, he is almost out of chips.

And hopefully excuses.

[REDSKINS4ever]

After years of poor drafts and ridiculous free-agent signings, it was unreasonable to think Shanahan could repair the lion’s share of the damage in one, two or even three years. This is a heavy-lifting task that can be solved only by trial and error.

But I do feel this team could have been a legitimate contender this season if not for the poor play of the defensive secondary blowing leads after the offense put the team in position for wins.

[GridIron26]

Mike Shanahan deserves a chance to build upon RGIII foundation - The Washington Post

[jdc65]

Speaking for myself, I thought the Shanahan hire was terrific, and I was particularly pleased with Kyle coming as OC as I had read nothing but glowing reports about him. I didn't like the switch to the 3-4 nor Haslett to run it. I also didn't like Mike having total control of football operations as I read substantially more negatives than positive reviews. But take the good with the bad and go from there, which brings us to today.

The problem and main complaint I have is not so much Mike the Head Coach, but Mike the head of everything football related. Too many of the negative reviews have been verified, and I don't think the team can win with him in that role. At a minimum, I would like to see him lose power over football operations, and just be the Head Coach. Unfortunately, I don't see him giving that up at all, and that is the problem.

Shanahan was fired from Denver because he wielded too much power, was overbearing in personnel decisions, and took over every aspect of the organization to the point where everything was "Yes Sir". Irsay fired Polian this year for the same reason, he said that Bill just took over the entire organization. It was suffocating. Jerry Jones the same, he won't fire himself, and their team is a perennial shambles. Andy Reid and Bill Parcells became poor coaches when they became De Facto General Managers.


There are no checks and balances, it's Mike's way or the highway on most every single decision. The Head Coach cannot overcome the GM.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by jdc65

Speaking for myself, I thought the Shanahan hire was terrific, and I was particulary pleased with Kyle coming as OC as I had read nothing but glowing reports about him. I didn't like the swith to the 3-4 nor Haslett to run it. I also didn't like Mike having total control of football operations as I read substantially more negatives than positive reviews. But take the good with the bad and go from there, which brings us to today.

The problem and main complaint I have is not so much Mike the Head Coach, but Mike the head of everything football related. Too many of the negative reviews have been verified, and I don't think the team can win with him in that role. At a minimum, I would like to see him lose power over football operations, and just be the Head Coach. Unfortunately, I don't see him giving that up at all, and that is the problem.

Shanahan was fired from Denver because he wielded too much power, was overbearing in personnel decisions, and took over every aspect of the organization to the point where everything was "Yes Sir". Irsay fired Polian this year for the same reason, he said that Bill just took over the entire organization. It was suffocating. Jerry Jones the same, he won't fire himself, and their team is a perennial shambles. Andy Reid and Bill Parcells became poor coaches when they became De Facto General Managers.


There are no checks and balances, it's Mike's way or the highway on most every single decision. The Head Coach cannot overcome the GM.

Great post
I myself don't like the hiring your son as off co though,if he sucks are you gonna fire your son? Doubtful

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Great post
I myself don't like the hiring your son as off co though,if he sucks are you gonna fire your son? Doubtful

In hindsight, I agree completely with this now. I genuinely thought at the time that Kyle had head coaching potential, and would replace Mike to keep continuity going. It has become apparent that Kubiak was the real mastermind of the Texan offense. The father-son thing has to be somewhat irksome to the players as the OC gets a pass.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by jdc65

In hindsight, I agree completely with this now. I genuinely thought at the time that Kyle had head coaching potential, and would replace Mike to keep continuity going. It has become apparent that Kubiak was the real mastermind of the Texan offense. The father-son thing has to be somewhat irksome to the players as the OC gets a pass.

Its not so much as I think kyle is a bad off co,its the fact I dont think you can have an unbiased outlook on evaluating the position if he's your son

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by jdc65

In hindsight, I agree completely with this now. I genuinely thought at the time that Kyle had head coaching potential, and would replace Mike to keep continuity going. It has become apparent that Kubiak was the real mastermind of the Texan offense. The father-son thing has to be somewhat irksome to the players as the OC gets a pass.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by whistler

He's not just the coach but he's the President of Football operations, in other words THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS!

Such a simple concept that flies over so many heads.