Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

meh giantone is nothing more than a jackass troll nowadays, worse than some of the dallas fans

......class.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Giantone

......class.

......irony.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

......irony.

........you never disapoint.

[Chico23231]

^BHA several things:

1.Those guys we cut have never won us anything 2. We are one of the oldest teams in the league. 3. We have a opportunity to cut bloated salaries with no CBA 4. I know change can be generally really tough, especially when we are used to paying guys who really dont play up to their salaries. 5. Can we give Allen 6 months before bashing him? 6. We are not a playoff team next year, and rebuilding usually takes more 2-3 months.

[MTK]

Anyone else read this? I couldn't disagree more with this:

Losing the offseason | Warpath Confidential

[johno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else read this?

i agree with you Matty. With the strategy suggested in the article, we would be better off for 2010 and 2011, but then be right back in the same spot we are today. cheaper stop gap measures, with intentions on finding young talent is the way to go.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by johno

i agree with you Matty. With the strategy suggested in the article, we would be better off for 2010 and 2011, but then be right back in the same spot we are today. cheaper stop gap measures, with intentions on finding young talent is the way to go.

Hard to believe some are upset over losing out on marginal guys like Clifton and Pashos, who in normal years would have barely registered a blip on most teams' free agent radar. I can see people getting upset over losing out on someone like Dansby, but then again if we're turning over a new leaf you have to at least give the new direction a chance. "Winning" the offseason hasn't gotten us anything in the past.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hard to believe some are upset over losing out on marginal guys like Clifton and Pashos, who in normal years would have barely registered a blip on most teams' free agent radar. I can see people getting upset over losing out on someone like Dansby, but then again if we're turning over a new leaf you have to at least give the new direction a chance. "Winning" the offseason hasn't gotten us anything in the past.

I was a little upset myself just because these would have been nice band-aide fixes while we got younger in the draft. Now if we kept drafting skill position players after this draft THEN I might start questioning the process a little bit, but I don't find a whole lot wrong with signing these guys.

If we end up going QB with our first pick, we're going to get him killed in my opinion.

Maybe I'll be surprised by the end result, but those would have been nice stop-gaps to help with the rebuild for the time being.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hard to believe some are upset over losing out on marginal guys like Clifton and Pashos, who in normal years would have barely registered a blip on most teams' free agent radar. I can see people getting upset over losing out on someone like Dansby, but then again if we're turning over a new leaf you have to at least give the new direction a chance. "Winning" the offseason hasn't gotten us anything in the past.

Yep; I mean I want to improve this year over last, but if it means we'll be addressing these positions with better guys next year while giving some guy a shot to start this year, that's better. I'd rather have say, another tackle next year than to have some allegiance to some guy that we brought in on a solid contract and didn't plan on keeping anymore than the year. Imagine we got Pashos and he played decently for us, then you have the dilemma of whether to keep him another year or go ahead and get the stud next year. I suppose you could always cut him after the year or force him into a backup role, but then what was the point in signing him in the first place?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by johno

i agree with you Matty. With the strategy suggested in the article, we would be better off for 2010 and 2011, but then be right back in the same spot we are today. cheaper stop gap measures, with intentions on finding young talent is the way to go.

we'd only be back where we were today in 2012 if we traded 2010 and 2011 draft picks for veterans or the new CBA has a grandfather rule that penalizes teams who spent big in the uncapped year by taking draft picks away from them. bringing in free agent veterans in an uncapped year doesn't hurt the team if the players fit the system.

[johno]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

we'd only be back where we were today in 2012 if we traded 2010 and 2011 draft picks for veterans or the new CBA has a grandfather rule that penalizes teams who spent big in the uncapped year by taking draft picks away from them. bringing in free agent veterans in an uncapped year doesn't hurt the team if the players fit the system.

i was alluding to the fact that all of those free agents were older players that would be expensive.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by johno

i was alluding to the fact that all of those free agents were older players that would be expensive.

who cares if theyre older if we're only relying on them to start for 1-2 years? and who cares about the expense in an uncapped season? I think Campbell or Bradford would have a much better shot at success with Pashos and Clifton protecting him than a 2nd round rookie tackle or any of the scrubs we currently have on the roster. Ideally, we could have signed one or both of them and then drafted a tackle with one of our 1st two picks in the draft. and come on, its not like the contracts either clifton or pashos signed were outrageous. both were 3 year deals without much garaunteed money. both could have been signed and (if necessary) cut next year (even if there is a cap) with minimal negative cap hit.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else read this? I couldn't disagree more with this:

Losing the offseason*|*Warpath Confidential

I actually agree with it 100%. Given our needs, we should have gotten atleast two of Dansby, Rolle, Pashos and Clifton. All of them would have represented upgrades over what we've currently got on the roster in HB Blades, Kareem Moore, Levi Jones, Mike Williams, and Stephon Heyer, just to name a few. Letting Pashos and Clifton BOTH walk are the most inexcusable moves of the bunch. Would that have provided a long-term solution? No. But they'd give us time to develop some younger guys and, since there's no cap, there's no reason NOT to have overspent a little to get them here.

I'm not overly excited about any of the guys coming in to redskins park today and tomorrow, but if Larry Foote leaves without a contract, i'll be very disappointed.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else read this? I couldn't disagree more with this:

Losing the offseason*|*Warpath Confidential

1000% wrong. This article should have been shelved as soon as the author pointed to the Bears as who we should emulate. The Bears are the same team that traded a starting quarterback, two first round picks, a third round pick and a 5th round pick for a guy who was an absolute disaster. The Bears are in panic mode! Their entire front office is fighting for their jobs and they had no first or second round pick. They had no choice.

This person does not understand what they are trying to do at the park. If it was just about having the most talent on the field, then we probably wouldn't have cut most of those guys. This year is an organizational change where a new philosophy is being implemented.

First step (executed) - get rid of the offensive contracts where the player was significantly overpaid for their production to date and likely future production. The pundits would say "What about Portis!!" Well, Portis has $7 million guaranteed and despite all of the critics, he is/was the best runningback on the roster. No available FA is clearly better than him. Cutting Portis and paying him 7 million then having to pay a few million to a different guy who may or may not be better that Portis just does not make sense. Plus, Portis was ridiculous in Shanny's system. Isn't it worth trying to see if he can regain the magic?

Second step (in process) - Use free agent WISELY. Washington is no longer where you go to get paid. The new regime wants Washington to be where you go to win. This free agent class just isn't that talented. To say that they should be throwing money around is poor analysis. The author is just as impatient as "joe the fan" who is upset that we didn't have 4 guys signed in 24 hours. That approach is gone because it doesn't work (see the last 10 years as evidence).

Third step, the draft (upcoming) - Washington definitely needs to improve here. We have 5 picks and we need ALL FIVE to contribute. No punters, no deadweight linemen or fullbacks who will never see the field. And for the love of Pete....If we draft someone like Cody Glenn and Antonio Dixon, is it too much to ask for them to remain on our roster? I don't want to see them in playoff games helping out other teams.

Bad article all around. Just an example of they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

1000% wrong. This article should have been shelved as soon as the author pointed to the Bears as who we should emulate. The Bears are the same team that traded a starting quarterback, two first round picks, a third round pick and a 5th round pick for a guy who was an absolute disaster. The Bears are in panic mode! Their entire front office is fighting for their jobs and they had no first or second round pick. They had no choice.

This person does not understand what they are trying to do at the park. If it was just about having the most talent on the field, then we probably wouldn't have cut most of those guys. This year is an organizational change where a new philosophy is being implemented.

First step (executed) - get rid of the offensive contracts where the player was significantly overpaid for their production to date and likely future production. The pundits would say "What about Portis!!" Well, Portis has $7 million guaranteed and despite all of the critics, he is/was the best runningback on the roster. No available FA is clearly better than him. Cutting Portis and paying him 7 million then having to pay a few million to a different guy who may or may not be better that Portis just does not make sense. Plus, Portis was ridiculous in Shanny's system. Isn't it worth trying to see if he can regain the magic?

Second step (in process) - Use free agent WISELY. Washington is no longer where you go to get paid. The new regime wants Washington to be where you go to win. This free agent class just isn't that talented. To say that they should be throwing money around is poor analysis. The author is just as impatient as "joe the fan" who is upset that we didn't have 4 guys signed in 24 hours. That approach is gone because it doesn't work (see the last 10 years as evidence).

Third step, the draft (upcoming) - Washington definitely needs to improve here. We have 5 picks and we need ALL FIVE to contribute. No punters, no deadweight linemen or fullbacks who will never see the field. And for the love of Pete....If we draft someone like Cody Glenn and Antonio Dixon, is it too much to ask for them to remain on our roster? I don't want to see them in playoff games helping out other teams.

Bad article all around. Just an example of they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

You can't help but think that had the Skins signed Pashos, Clifton, Dansby, etc. we would be reading an article from this guy saying here we go with the same old free spending Redskins.