WFT's Off-Season Thread

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Love the move for Flowers. He was good here. Will be again. So he will replace Schweitzer on the left side? Still need a LT. Than we have a damn good OL.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaSkinFan

Could be missing something but doesn't this mean we will probably not sign an OL at 19?

We need a LT which could be the 19th pick. Flowers is LG.

[Schneed10]

$3M cap hit this year, nothing guaranteed to him next year, so next year if you want to cut him, no dead cap hit. Outstanding move.

I don’t think it changes anything for Scherff. I think he’ll be gone after this season anyway. And I don’t see him getting traded before that, I think he subscribes to the Kirk Cousins theory of make your way to free agency to find out your worth, I don’t think he’ll agree to a long term deal with an acquiring team because he wants to hit the open market.

As for G, this is a depth play that indicates that they’re not comfortable with the recovery of Charles, or not comfortable with Schweitzer as a starter, or envision Charles competing at T, or a combination of these.

I still think they will look to draft a LT in this draft. Either way, good depth pickup. Can’t have too many capable offensive linemen.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

While I'd love for BS to stick around long term, it really looks like we're being played by the same tactic Kirk Cousins used.

We're already paying too much for a Guard on the tag, and since he hasn't budged and signed long term, it appears he's bolting after this season.

So instead of overpaying for a Guard this year that we're losing anyways, I fully support getting something in return for him right now.

Except that everyone knows they can get him next year without giving up picks. There are very few teams going oh my God, if we just had that stud RG we would totally be SB contenders, we'd better trade the farm because that RG will put us over the top, for a player making $18M fully guaranteed with a 1 in 3 change of being healthy.

[vallin21]

Love the Flowers trade. Shouldn’t change our draft strategy. A top prospect will slide, and be there for us at 19 (Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker, Parsons, D. Smith, JOK).

Out of those 5, I’d take
1. Parsons
2. D. Smith
3. Darrisaw
4. Vera Tucker
5. JOK



I’m not a fan of JOK, I think we need a true LB, not a hybrid, which ironically is the problem right now with Collins and Rivera.

[Scalper]

Ereck Flowers - LG - A

New details have emerged. We traded down 14 spots in 7th round, swapping 7th with Miami. On a draft trade value chart, with #1 pick 3000 points, we gave up 1 point. Essentially nothing. Knowing our luck, someone will pick the next Tom Brady with the pick we traded, LOL, but all kidding aside, we gave up almost nothing.

Also, Miami is paying $6M of Flowers' salary, we are paying $3M. Miami must be dying for cap relief, LOL. Giving up virtually nothing in trade, and getting a player much better than Schweitz for about 60% of the price is a win-win, even if only for a year and on a contract that expires after 2022 and pays $9M next year. This is essentially a free 3rd or 4th round pick in terms of player value if he can regain old form. One thing to remember is it is easy to look great next to Trent Williams because he is so talented, LOL, so Flowers may not regain previous heights at LG but still has potential. You have to grade this an A signing.

One other interesting note on this trade is that there were reportedly several interested teams, but Miami wanted to be fair to Flowers. Flowers wanted to come here because he loved the coaches, the culture, and the players and felt that was why he flourished. Such things really do matter, obviously, and if THE DAN can actually not meddle several more years, this factor should increase. One main reason we signed Jackson, for example, was his desire to look awesome behind our DL and then sign a HUGE final deal in 3 years (and I'm not bashing him for that).

You have to rate this trade an A given new info, especially the insurance it gives us at G with Scherff. We can now let Scherff walk and have a replacement 75% as good optimistically, at half the price or less. If Flowers blows we are out $3M with no long term effect after this year, so the downside is minimal. SOLID A grade, for a mid-tier roster move.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

$3M cap hit this year, nothing guaranteed to him next year, so next year if you want to cut him, no dead cap hit. Outstanding move.

I don’t think it changes anything for Scherff. I think he’ll be gone after this season anyway. And I don’t see him getting traded before that, I think he subscribes to the Kirk Cousins theory of make your way to free agency to find out your worth, I don’t think he’ll agree to a long term deal with an acquiring team because he wants to hit the open market.

As for G, this is a depth play that indicates that they’re not comfortable with the recovery of Charles, or not comfortable with Schweitzer as a starter, or envision Charles competing at T, or a combination of these.

I still think they will look to draft a LT in this draft. Either way, good depth pickup. Can’t have too many capable offensive linemen.

I think Scherff wants to choose his team, and go to a contender. I think he might stay here if he is made the highest paid G with obscene guarantees, otherwise he is gone. No one is trading a high pick and having to pay him a huge deal. Simply not happening barring major injuries to contender. Any smart team could simply draft a G and pay him $17M a year less, rather than trading picks to us to do the same thing.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Ereck Flowers - LG - A

New details have emerged. We traded down 14 spots in 7th round, swapping 7th with Miami. On a draft trade value chart, with #1 pick 3000 points, we gave up 1 point. Essentially nothing. Knowing our luck, someone will pick the next Tom Brady with the pick we traded, LOL, but all kidding aside, we gave up almost nothing.

Also, Miami is paying $6M of Flowers' salary, we are paying $3M. Miami must be dying for cap relief, LOL. Giving up virtually nothing in trade, and getting a player much better than Schweitz for about 60% of the price is a win-win, even if only for a year and on a contract that expires after 2022 and pays $9M next year. This is essentially a free 3rd or 4th round pick in terms of player value if he can regain old form. One thing to remember is it is easy to look great next to Trent Williams because he is so talented, LOL, so Flowers may not regain previous heights at LG but still has potential. You have to grade this an A signing.

One other interesting note on this trade is that there were reportedly several interested teams, but Miami wanted to be fair to Flowers. Flowers wanted to come here because he loved the coaches, the culture, and the players and felt that was why he flourished. Such things really do matter, obviously, and if THE DAN can actually not meddle several more years, this factor should increase. One main reason we signed Jackson, for example, was his desire to look awesome behind our DL and then sign a HUGE final deal in 3 years (and I'm not bashing him for that).

You have to rate this trade an A given new info, especially the insurance it gives us at G with Scherff. We can now let Scherff walk and have a replacement 75% as good optimistically, at half the price or less. If Flowers blows we are out $3M with no long term effect after this year, so the downside is minimal. SOLID A grade, for a mid-tier roster move.

I don’t think he played next to Trent....wasn’t that the year Trent sat out? I think he was playing next to Donald Penn.

[Chico23231]

Having 3 starting quality starting guards going into the year is big and now gives us insurance after Schreff leaves. Ismel still there too as developing guard/center. I do think this removes interior Oline off the board early for the draft.

If we grab a tackle during the draft, the Oline room will be packed. Should make for a great competition and a strong unit going into the season.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

I don’t think he played next to Trent....wasn’t that the year Trent sat out? I think he was playing next to Donald Penn.

Correct. We had a pieced-together O-Line that year and they played well. Flowers especially.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Love the Flowers trade. Shouldn’t change our draft strategy. A top prospect will slide, and be there for us at 19 (Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker, Parsons, D. Smith, JOK).

Out of those 5, I’d take
1. Parsons
2. D. Smith
3. Darrisaw
4. Vera Tucker
5. JOK



I’m not a fan of JOK, I think we need a true LB, not a hybrid, which ironically is the problem right now with Collins and Rivera.

Swap #5 and #1.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'd be surprised if they don't draft at least two O-linemen still; either two OTs, or a G/C and an OT.

I don't think the Flowers move takes anything off the table for that first pick. If there's a highly graded O-lineman there at 19, they still have to consider him. I hope they go LB or S, but if they decide to make the O-line even better with that pick, I won't hate it.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Swap #5 and #1.

No, swap #5 with Z. Collins or J. Davis.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Having 3 starting quality starting guards going into the year is big and now gives us insurance after Schreff leaves. Ismel still there too as developing guard/center. I do think this removes interior Oline off the board early for the draft.

If we grab a tackle during the draft, the Oline room will be packed. Should make for a great competition and a strong unit going into the season.

Exactly a huge depth move. When an injury does happen on the o line invariably it will we have above average depth and won't be complaining about not enough quality o linemen during the gameday thread.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'd be surprised if they don't draft at least two O-linemen still; either two OTs, or a G/C and an OT.



I don't think the Flowers move takes anything off the table for that first pick. If there's a highly graded O-lineman there at 19, they still have to consider him. I hope they go LB or S, but if they decide to make the O-line even better with that pick, I won't hate it.

Yeah Flowers is our new/old LG. Schweitzer is now solid depth there. We can and hopefully will get a LT with 19. If we get a solid LB or S there I will not hate that.