WFT's Off-Season Thread

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yeah and he's also the reigning MVP and one of the best QBs of all time that would make us an instant and serious Super Bowl contender. I'll take that even if he is an asshole.

I mean Brady can be a huge asshole as well (see how he drove Jimmy G. out of town in NE), but I would have welcomed him with open arms had he come here.

I don't get why fans of this organization want EVERYTHING to be perfect. I'll take 2-3 years of potential deep playoff runs with Rodgers than whatever Fitz can bring.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I mean Brady can be a huge asshole as well (see how he drove Jimmy G. out of town in NE), but I would have welcomed him with open arms had he come here.

I don't get why fans of this organization want EVERYTHING to be perfect. I'll take 2-3 years of potential deep playoff runs with Rodgers than whatever Fitz can bring.

That sounds cool. So you trade 2 firsts and a second for him, we lose in OT in the divisional round year one and he decided a to retire and host Jeopardy....is that worth trading all those pics?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

If the Packers get to the point where they are serious about trading him, we sure as hell better make an offer.

I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

That sounds cool. So you trade 2 firsts and a second for him, we lose in OT in the divisional round year one and he decided a to retire and host Jeopardy....is that worth trading all those pics?

I don't think a competitive guy like Rodgers would hang it up, especially at the level that he is playing at right now.

You're nitpicking a somewhat unlikely scenario IMO, which proves my point that fans want everything to be perfect. In your case, you want a risk-free situation.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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That would depend if: a) Rodgers wants to go to either of these teams, and b.) does he want to go up against Mahommes and the Chiefs every year?

Wilson and Rodgers are being influenced what happened to Brady this year (except that they are not free agents) - pick a team with talent in a winnable division, where you have an easier path to the SB.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

That would depend if: a) Rodgers wants to go to either of these teams, and b.) does he want to go up against Mahommes and the Chiefs every year?



Wilson and Rodgers are being influenced what happened to Brady this year (except that they are not free agents) - pick a team with talent in a winnable division, where you have an easier path to the SB.

I believe the buzz is that he wants to go to Denver/LV. Also, from GB's perspective, that would put him out of the conference so GB would only go against him if they meet in the SB. If he signs here they would face him this regular season and potentially in the playoffs.

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[MTK]

It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.

I would be happy enough to see him join the team, I just don't think it is a realistic option.

He would certainly change the media/vegas expectations of our club!

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[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

It's just insane to me that people would turn their nose up at the chance to get an all time great QB like Rodgers.

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by missouriskin

it’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a qb and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

exactly.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

I don’t mind trading the farm for a for sure thing like Rodgers or Wilson. But trading farm in draft no thanks. For the record I don’t mind trading up to get your guy just not an RG3 style trade.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.

When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?

[FrenchSkin]

Might be weird, but I completely understand the thinking behind trading for Rodgers, and I'm not calling it crazy, because being an instant SB contender does have some appeal... But I'm still strongly against it.
And it's not about some sort of moral compass telling me what's "right" and "wrong" in building a team.
It's actually about winning. Long term.

I don't want to be a 2-3 years wonder. I want to make the playoffs 85% of the time, and have a chance at the big thing several times a decade.

I saw an other offer being 2 firsts, 2 seconds, Fitz and Ioannidis.
My issue is, as many said before, with how the cap works, we KNOW we won't be able to resign all of Allen, Payne, Young, Sweat, Terry etc... (Especially if we have a nearly 40M/yr QB) So we're gonna NEED some high draft picks to replace them. Because if we don't, regardless of how this 2-3 years ride goes... We're kinda back to the basement... and I don't want that...

Oh and btw we don't have 37M of available cap space, so who you cutting ?

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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Draft and develop.

I believe Green Bay, much like the Texans, is not going to be bullied.

They'll sit Rodgers and start Love and never look back.

The media needs something to talk about.

You can understand Rodgers' frustration, McCarthy hosing deep playoff runs with his incompetence, the inexcusable secondary issues that lost games, etc. Rodgers has done his part, and then some, and been hosed by coaching and teammates, but GB will probably not win anymore SBs while he is there.

You can also see with a young actress wife and his eyes on Jeopardy, an east or west coast venue, a city with more culture, is extremely appealing. You think some wife used to the glamour and culture of LA or NY wants to move to Green Bay? Not a chance.

The fact is he signed a contract though, and he isn't bullying his way out any more than Wilson, Watson, etc. The NFL is structured so that the owners hold virtually all the power. As with Watson, they can go after his bonus money and hose him financially, though he might not care about $20-$30M and can certainly afford to eat that shitburger in a way Watson couldn't (especially now with legal fees and settlements from HandjobGate).

It is an interesting decision. Suppose Rodgers has 5 years left, ala Brady. Do you trade a 1st and 2nd for 5 years of a surefire HOF QB, probably one of the 10-20 best to ever play the game? You could make compelling arguments both ways. If our FO was willing to give up a 1st and another high pick for Stafford, is 2 #1s for Rodgers ridiculous? I don't know. 38 is really old for any NFL player. With one more good draft and Rodgers, we are a legit deep playoff contender, though we still need some true stars to be a SB contender, besides Chase Young. Even if you hit on a late 1st round pick, and get a true franchise QB, very low odds he is a HOF QB of Rodgers caliber. Interesting decision.

I don't think Rodgers whining about Love is resentment of competition, but rather resentment of not doing everything to help him win a few more SBs, and spending those resources on a better supporting cast.

All a moot point. Rodgers isn't going anywhere. Green Bay is going to tell him he is under contract and not budge, period. His two choices are to retire or play for GB, and all his whining to the media won't change that. This is especially true if you understand the fanatical culture in GB. You might as well look for a unicorn as talk about trading for Rodgers, unless the offer is so obscene it makes no sense (three #1s plus more). The problem then is Rodgers has none of the supporting cast he wants anyway because the resources expended to get him make this impossible. Rodgers is in a Catch 22.