Can We Bench Brunell Now

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm all for benching Brunell simply to get a lot of ignorant people to shut the fuck up.

Maybe if we bench Brunell, put in JC and have the obvious results of having an inexperienced QB lead the team, people will recognize the slew of other problems facing us and realize that the QB position is the least of our worries. Worries like Travis Henry rushing for 178 yards, not picking off or pressuring a rookie QB with 3 starts, not giving CP more than 15 carries and blitzes so predictable a band of retarded puppies could defend them.

Some of us calling for Brunell to be benched are well aware of "other" team issue that must be dealt with. I have no delusions that a Rookie QB will step in a win a bunch of games right away. What you fail to recognize is that Brunell is not getting the job done at his position and I would much rather see JC get the experience now while the "other" issues are dealt with concurrently. That way hopefully the team is ready to rock and roll next season and beyond. If not, well you learned that you don't have the future QB in JC and we can draft or sign appropriately in the off-season.

BTW, I'm not ignorant and I won't STFU...at least not until we get to see JC under center for better of for worse. Maybe you should consider limiting your comments to your own opinions instead of insulting people. FWIW, having a different opinion does not make people ignorant.

[redskins5044]

how much worse can it get with starting JC? we arent winning the SB this year and no SB is a failure for the skins this year. if he is our qb of the future he needs to learn by playing so now is a better time than never. but i dont think gibbs will start him this week v.s. the colts on the road but if we lose to the colts he will have a bye week to get JC ready for the home game v.s. dallas. if were 2-5 JC needs to be in there bottom line. if hes not gibbs needs someone to get his head out of his ass because brunell is not the future

[Redskin]

Once again morons come out and pin a whole game on one man's shoulders, I must apluad that. I mean portis did have a really great game didnt he? Sean Taylor and Washington did drop pics that would have prevented points, but kno your right Brunnel should have been there to pick those balls off and run for Portis. I really think Redskins fans maybe the stupidest fans in football, fanwise this might have been the worste home game ever.

The only reason JC should start is not to improve the team, becuase that he will certainly not do, buit to give him experiance and for that we are talking about mayb the last 4-6 games depending how were doing i mean honestly we made an amazing run last year why not again?

BTW: the same posts were cerculating last year and i and a few others said we still had a chance so stop predicting armegedon

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin

BTW: the same posts were cerculating last year and i and a few others said we still had a chance so stop predicting armegedon

Except last season we were 5-6 deep into the season, we are in a BIGGER hole in within the first 6 games. And most people agree with your asssesment of why JC should be in...

[Redskin]

Im just an optimistic person I guess you will say but I personally feel it would still be early for Cambell, lets say the Colts game decides it becuase honestly i think we should think of our defense befor e our offense, who wouldent of been happy with 22 points last year?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Redskin,

I understand your frustration, I'm just as frustrated, angry, etc. But, do you really need to say everyone is an idiot?

BTW, I dont think anyone is saying everything is Brunell's fault. A lot of people are also complaining (with good cause) about our defense if you hadn't noticed.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Mark just cant get it done the way he needs to at this point and the D was extremely involved in that loss. Even if we won, I feel it would have been an ill gotten gain. We played like shit, and it shows.

[jtm74]

I would much rather see JC start and lose every damn game left than mb start and finish 4-12 or 5-11.Its time to start thinking about next year

[redskins5044]

brunell has no arm cant throw the deep ball to our wrs. the one good pass was to loyld. the offense is playing conservative because of brunells lack of arm. he has looked last year and the jax game because of moss. like i said if we lose next week it is time for JC.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

brunell has no arm cant throw the deep ball to our wrs. the one good pass was to loyld. the offense is playing conservative because of brunells lack of arm. he has looked last year and the jax game because of moss. like i said if we lose next week it is time for JC.

I think it is reasonable to put cample in if we lose next week only becuase it will be a bye week and he can prepare, Im just afraid he will be another Patrick Ramsey

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by Redskin

I think it is reasonable to put cample in if we lose next week only becuase it will be a bye week and he can prepare, Im just afraid he will be another Patrick Ramsey

That is a legitamite fear and I can understand that. The fact is, no one knows because the kid hasn't touched a ball in an actual game yet. He could be the next coming of Joe Montana, but we'll simply never know until we decide to play him. I believe the team is better off finding out this year than in game 4 of next year.

[Beemnseven]

If Gibbs decides to play Jason Campbell, they could lose because he might throw 4 or 5 picks a game ... but right now, they're losing with Brunell's 90.8 QB rating.

As for the defense, let's not forget that the two starting defensive tackles, Griffin and Salave'a were out.

Still think Golston and Montgomery were diamonds in the rough?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Brunell has average stats due ONLY to the fact that he has stellar playmakers catching the ball. Watching other games I am amazed at how well even average QBs are hitting receivers over the middle in stride, even against decent defenses. We don't see that because our QB can't do it.

It amazes me that there are some of you who just watched the same game that I did and don't look at your QB as a major source of problems. I'm dumfounded that there are still some of you defending Brunell. He is incapable of stretching the field vertically and defeneses know that...why do you think the Titans were able to key in on teh short passes and screens today? Because they knew they didn't have to worry about the deeper routes. Then, when down big and desparate, we tried to throw down the field, the results of which were self evident.

Why on god's green earth would we wait until next year to play Campbell. As I said last week, this season is done for us and the sooner to start making some pragmatic personnel decisions, the better this team can be in the future. Starting Campbell now means has two advantages. One, you find out if he has the IT factor necessary to be a pro QB and if he doesn't, well at least you know and you find out in a season that doesn't mean much. Second, finding out now means we can make smart decisions in Free Agency. If in fact it is determined that JC is not "The Man", for the future, why waste next year finding out? Waiting until next year to see if JC can play has NO BENEFIT to the team. If you can't see that, then you are blind to the reality that is slapping us all in the face.

Name me one quarterback in the league that has better stats, but worse weapons than Brunell does. Get over this perception that OUR guys are better than anyone elses because they are OUR guys. Randle El is a pretty average player and Lloyd isn't quite that good. They fit OUR system, which is a YAC based system. Moss does an excellent job after the catch, but dont crap on Brunell for consistently getting the ball to him in space.

If I remember correctly, Brunell hit Lloyd today for a 51 yard completion. So there goes that no deep ball arguement.

Season is done, eh? I didn't know it was January already. The reason you stay with Brunell is because he gives you the best chance to win. I know that. Joe Gibbs knows that. Al Saunders knows that. You play Campbell only when winning now takes a back seat to winning in the future. I don't think that point has been reached, and I hope no one else does. That would be a very closed minded, reactionary view of a poorly played game.

Although there is no comparision between Brunell and Palmer or McNabb, you are missing my point. What would you say to an Eagle fan who said that he would renounce his fanship if they didnt bench McNabb for such a horrible performance. I would probably start laughing at them. Which is what I would do now if the situation wasn't so dire here.

[redskins5044]

one deep ball in a game doenst show me brunell has the ability to make plays. maybe with JC we would focus more on the running game to help him out. i am not blaming any of the loses soley on brunell but we need to find out what this kid has.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Name me one quarterback in the league that has better stats, but worse weapons than Brunell does. Get over this perception that OUR guys are better than anyone elses because they are OUR guys. Randle El is a pretty average player and Lloyd isn't quite that good. They fit OUR system, which is a YAC based system. Moss does an excellent job after the catch, but dont crap on Brunell for consistently getting the ball to him in space.

If I remember correctly, Brunell hit Lloyd today for a 51 yard completion. So there goes that no deep ball arguement.

Season is done, eh? I didn't know it was January already. The reason you stay with Brunell is because he gives you the best chance to win. I know that. Joe Gibbs knows that. Al Saunders knows that. You play Campbell only when winning now takes a back seat to winning in the future. I don't think that point has been reached, and I hope no one else does. That would be a very closed minded, reactionary view of a poorly played game.

Although there is no comparision between Brunell and Palmer or McNabb, you are missing my point. What would you say to an Eagle fan who said that he would renounce his fanship if they didnt bench McNabb for such a horrible performance. I would probably start laughing at them. Which is what I would do now if the situation wasn't so dire here.

You're arguement about the lloyd pass has no merit. That was a hail mary pass if I have ever seen one.

I disagree that this season is not over. I am not being 'reactionary' I am simply looking at the facts. We are 2-4 due to poor play across the board with no quick fixes in sight. Furthermore we are facing a brutal schedule during the remaining 10 games. Sticking with Brunell because hes your "best" option to win is shortsighted. First I disagree that he's our best option to win now...he's is a significant part of our offensive problems IMHO. Second, what makes you believe Brunell is going to be able to win 8 of the next 10, which is what it will take for us to have a shot at the Wildcard?

Last, I have no idea what you are talking about with your renouncing fanship reference...I am a diehard fan...have been for 25 years since I was old enough to understand what I was watching. I'm not jumping ship...I will be here for the long haul, and I want whats best for the team. It is arrogant to believe your position makes you somehow more of a fan.