Grade Jason Campbell

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I said B-/C+ because to me

A = Peyton on a good day
A-/B+ = Brady on a good day
B = Roethlisberger on a good day last year
B-/C+ = Brunell on a good day last year.

Fair post, but man, haven't you ever heard of grade inflation?

[GTripp0012]

Our defense was lifeless under MB, and it's just as lifeless now.

I don't know who honestly thought a QB change would improve the defense...but they must fool themseleves often.

But yeah, this game gave me no reason to believe that Jason Campbell will not one day reach his statistical projection.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Wow! Some of you guys are either Mark Brunell family members or on drugs. How can you give Campbell anything but good grades for yesterday's performance. In one game, I saw a totally different offense from the dink and dunk, three yards and a cloud of dust crap that Brunell was directing early part of the year. The Redskin offense looked like, for the first time this year, a professional offense. Plays were being attempted downfield with a moderate amount of success. Previously, the deep ball was non-existant. The Redskins rarely threw more than 15 yards downfield. Yesterday, the Skins were consistantly throwing over the middle and took a few shots deep. Mark Brunell better brush up on his clipboard duties, find a well fitted hat and a comfortable spot on the bench. I don't want to see #8 on the field as a Redskin anymore.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Wow! Some of you guys are either Mark Brunell family members or on drugs. How can you give Campbell anything but good grades for yesterday's performance. In one game, I saw a totally different offense from the dink and dunk, three yards and a cloud of dust crap that Brunell was directing early part of the year. The Redskin offense looked like, for the first time this year, a professional offense. Plays were being attempted downfield with a moderate amount of success. Previously, the deep ball was non-existant. The Redskins rarely threw more than 15 yards downfield. Yesterday, the Skins were consistantly throwing over the middle and took a few shots deep. Mark Brunell better brush up on his clipboard duties, find a well fitted hat and a comfortable spot on the bench. I don't want to see #8 on the field as a Redskin anymore.

Yes, but as much as the vertical game was a part of this week's offense, you'd be fooling yourself to think the offense as a whole played any better. We didn't improve in yards (passing or rushing), points, or any other metric.

So if you look at the situation in a vaccuum, Jason Campbell vs. Mark Brunell this year, this team, we only have one Campbell performance to grade, but it was below what you would have expected from Mark Brunell.

So I think it's important to note the conditions, (and you don't) that Jason Campbell was making his first NFL start without Portis or Moss, and that your expectation for him was considerably lower than that of Brunell. Of course to do that, you'd have to admit that things could get a lot worse than they were under Brunell. But once you acknowledge the conditions, like I have, then you grade JC on a curved scale, and you have to like what you see.

The key is that if there is no dropoff between the QB's, then the decision to move toward the future when we did was the right one. I think Campbell did very well, all things considered, and there was a very insignificant dropoff in QB play overall.

Of course it was only a three point game...so I don't know if we would have won it with Brunell in.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, but as much as the vertical game was a part of this week's offense, you'd be fooling yourself to think the offense as a whole played any better. We didn't improve in yards (passing or rushing), points, or any other metric.

in the eagles game:
6 punts, 3 points, 1 int (16/31, 132yrds, 0 tds) - with moss + portis + almost 150 yards on the ground

vs TB:
5 punts, 20 points, 0 ints (19/34, 196yrds, 2 tds) - w/o moss/portis and under 70 rushing yards.

so, by every metric it was better than what finally got brunell benched. campbell's stats were also better than brunells in the dallas game (yards, tds, turnovers), and again, brunell had portis and a running game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

in the eagles game:
6 punts, 3 points, 1 int (16/31, 132yrds, 0 tds) - with moss + portis + almost 150 yards on the ground

vs TB:
5 punts, 20 points, 0 ints (19/34, 196yrds, 2 tds) - w/o moss/portis and under 70 rushing yards.

so, by every metric it was better than what finally got brunell benched. campbell's stats were also better than brunells in the dallas game (yards, tds, turnovers), and again, brunell had portis and a running game.

If we are looking at the average Brunell game, or the expectation for him, why on earth would you look at the Eagle game (our worst game this year as a team, bar none)? Everyone was horrible. Campbell would have been awful in that game too. Just add it to Brunell's season average and move on.

Campbell's Yards/Attempt Sunday was more than a yard below Brunell's season average. If he completes the pass to Lloyd, it would be very close...but drops/nice defensive plays don't count on Brunell's stats either.

Campbell did very well, all things considered. But just looking at the TB game and nothing but the TB game, I think Brunell would have done better. Good enough to overcome the defense? I doubt it, in which case we made the right move with the QB change.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we are looking at the average Brunell game, or the expectation for him, why on earth would you look at the Eagle game (our worst game this year as a team, bar none)? Everyone was horrible. Campbell would have been awful in that game too. Just add it to Brunell's season average and move on.

Campbell's Yards/Attempt Sunday was more than a yard below Brunell's season average. If he completes the pass to Lloyd, it would be very close...but drops/nice defensive plays don't count on Brunell's stats either.

Campbell did very well, all things considered. But just looking at the TB game and nothing but the TB game, I think Brunell would have done better. Good enough to overcome the defense? I doubt it, in which case we made the right move with the QB change.

so a small sample set is fine with campbell, but not brunell? should we compare this to brunell's last game against the bucs, since it's more apples to apples? cause that makes him look SO much better.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So if you look at the situation in a vaccuum, Jason Campbell vs. Mark Brunell this year, this team, we only have one Campbell performance to grade, but it was below what you would have expected from Mark Brunell.

Maybe below your expectations, but I think everyone else would have expected Brunell to play worse.

[illdefined]

what would the grade be had Ladell not fumbled, or that lucky bounce in the Tampa endzone bounced the other way?

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what would the grade be had Ladell not fumbled, or that lucky bounce in the Tampa endzone bounced the other way?

U think it was actually luck, or our players being unaware as usual??????

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

U think it was actually luck, or our players being unaware as usual??????

It was luck, pure and simple.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

U think it was actually luck, or our players being unaware as usual??????

Ladell hasnt fumbled much in his career, and that bounce was right in his arms, not much could be done unfortunately.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what would the grade be had Ladell not fumbled, or that lucky bounce in the Tampa endzone bounced the other way?

A-/B+. You can't allow things he can't control to affect analysis of his performance.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A-/B+. You can't allow things he can't control to affect analysis of his performance.

agreed, thats what i gave him too.

[onlydarksets]

Yeah, it looked like Rogers was running around to celebrate, then realized, "Oops - they caught it!".