Tom "Iceman" Brady

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can take the "money guy" Brady to win in crunch time, but if the Pats had Manning, they'd blow everyone out of the water. Crunch-time be damned.

thats kinda silly to say considering manning plays for a better "team". the colts have much more talent offensively than the pats and as of the past two games the colts defense has played just as good as the pats defense has. manning is a better "pure passer" than brady but brady is a better overall qb.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The nature of game itself has more to do with the outcome of the game than any one man. Agree?

You make a lot of good points. Yes, the Chargers needed luck to get to 14-2. A lot of it. But they were a better team than the Pats in my opinion and that of many others.

We watch the damn game because it intrigues us. You never know for certain who is going to win because wacky things happen virtually every game. Thats great TV.

Overcoming three INTs isn't luck, but its a bunch of people picking up their QB. Something that Manning has never gotten prior to this season.

Recovering fumbles is luck. No player can control the bounce of the football. If it bounces your way, then you have the first shot to recover it. The Pats got 5 out of 5 fumbles. To understand how big this was, consider if the Chargers had gotten merely one of those fumbles. 4 to 1 is still a very lucky day for the Pats, but considering the final score, its very likely that the Chargers would have won if they had recovered just one fumble.

You can take the "money guy" Brady to win in crunch time, but if the Pats had Manning, they'd blow everyone out of the water. Crunch-time be damned.

Recovering fumbles has as much to do with quickness and being alert as luck. I agree with you that ball takes funny bounes sometimes and seems to go right to players. However, I also know that sometimes the ball is simply rolling free and part of playing football is beating the other guy to the ball and/or taking it away from him underneath the pile if necessary.

I do agree with you that the game is bigger than any one man. I do not agree that "the game chooses its champion." The reason I don't agree with this is that it makes it sound as though it's all up to the Football Gods. Good fortune does indeed play a role, as you correctly note, but hard work, preparation, and poise under pressure are even bigger factors.

It's fine to argue the Chargers were a better team, and I would agree with you that they were more impressive during the regular season. However, football isn't like baseball or basketball with its playoff series. Yesterday was San Diego's one opportunity to prove they were better than the Patriots, and they were unable to do so. Again, when the money's on the table, Bardy and the Pats are the ones who walk the walk.

Peyton Manning is a fine quarterback and I admire his skills a great deal. I am not going to try and justify my preference by trying to lessen what he's accomplished. I'm simply saying that I prefer Brady because unlike Manning I have seen hard evidence- in other words, proof - that Brady can produce victories in the clutch, in the playoffs, when the chips are down and the pressure is at its greatest. In contrast, on the other side all I have are people telling me how many titles Manning would have IF he had a better team around him or IF he played for someone else. So to me it's just a matter of dealing with what is fact instead of what someone claims but can't prove (i.e., "If the Pats had Manning they'd blow everyone out of the water").

[GTripp0012]

So to keep with the theme of Tom "Icyguy" Brady, let me hijack the thread with this question.

Without using the terms "rings" or "championships", you are the coach of a team playing for the division crown in Week 17. One game, who do you want behind center: Brady or Carson Palmer?

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So to keep with the theme of Tom "Icyguy" Brady, let me hijack the thread with this question.

Without using the terms "rings" or "championships", you are the coach of a team playing for the division crown in Week 17. One game, who do you want behind center: Brady or Carson Palmer?

brady.

[gabe1984]

Tom Brady is good, but let's be real.....THE PATRIOTS SHOULD NOT HAVE WON THAT GAME!!!!!! I don't understand why Brady is getting all of this praise, he threw 3 interceptions, 3 INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!!! He had a 57.6 QB rating, please explain to me why everyone is on his nuts as normal. The Chargers should have won that game, they had several key, stupid plays that cost them from winning. Brady threw 3 intereptions, he was soooooo lucky he got that one back in the fourth quarter, unbelievable. Brady is the only QB in the league who can throw 3 interceptions in a playoff game and then be praised, he got lucky, and I really hope Peyton beats him.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

Tom Brady is good, but let's be real.....THE PATRIOTS SHOULD NOT HAVE WON THAT GAME!!!!!! I don't understand why Brady is getting all of this praise, he threw 3 interceptions, 3 INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!!! He had a 57.6 QB rating, please explain to me why everyone is on his nuts as normal. The Chargers should have won that game, they had several key, stupid plays that cost them from winning. Brady threw 3 intereptions, he was soooooo lucky he got that one back in the fourth quarter, unbelievable. Brady is the only QB in the league who can throw 3 interceptions in a playoff game and then be praised, he got lucky, and I really hope Peyton beats him.

Its becaus that when it came down to the win in the 4th he did what was needed to win the game. Yes the Chargers made mistakes but they had a chance at the end to win the game but failed.

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its becaus that when it came down to the win in the 4th he did what was needed to win the game. Yes the Chargers made mistakes but they had a chance at the end to win the game but failed.

What do you mean, he did what was needed? He threw an interception, and then he got lucky and the Pats got the fumble. My point is he threw and interception at a key moment, Troy Brown did what was needed for them to win the game, by stripping the ball, Brady got his team into a mess by throwing 3 interceptions and one crucial inteception in the fourth quarter.

[wolfeskins]

i would bet that peyton manning would give up all his stats to have a superbowl ring.
do you think tom brady would give up his rings to have better stats ?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i would bet that peyton manning would give up all his stats to have a superbowl ring.
do you think tom brady would give up his rings to have better stats ?

Of course you'd rather have the ring, but that doesn't make him better.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Of course you'd rather have the ring, but that doesn't make him better.

i'm saying brady is better than manning because even though manning has better stats brady has the rings. manning has yet to prove he can handle the pressure of big time games (playoffs) while brady preforms at a very high level in the biggest games (superbowls). brady not only lead his team to victory 3 times in superbowl games but he was the games MVP twice.

[MTK]

The Patriots really amaze me, they just find ways to win while Marty and co. seem to find ways to lose.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Patriots really amaze me, they just find ways to win while Marty and co. seem to find ways to lose.

Man isnt that the truth! I mean seriously, the Marty ballers are equally unlucky as the pats are lucky.

[MTK]

Of course luck plays a part sometimes, but when you have a 12-1 post season record and 3 trophies, you ARE that much better than everyone else.

[firstdown]

At 12-1 is there a QB with a better post season record?

[FRPLG]

Brady is overrated.

Not one part of me thinks that they won that game simply because of Brady. He is good for sure but he isn't 'make a bad team good' good. He is a great leader and a good skill QB nut not the sickest qb ever.