Taylor is in the Pro Bowl!!!

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not suggesting that these players made GW. But I distinctly remember when AP was let go, a lot of us around here suggested that he was just a system player and we could replace him. Do a thread search, you'll find it.

In hindsight, AP isn't just a run of the mill system player, he actually is a very good, fundamentally sound linebacker that happen to be playing within a system that suited his skill set very well.

And yes, to date the coaches aint getting it done.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

Enough is Enough...I'm tired of hearing about Taylor or anyone else on this team regressing. Did it ever occur to anyone that this coaching staff is holding back our playmakers (specifically on defense). It's hard to believe that anyone can have a decent career hear anymore, with all the BS thats been going on behind clossed doors.

Williams must go, and Saunders must go. I fully blame last year on the coaches, and I don't think the world of Gibbs for allowing this to happen. It’s ridiculous to have the safeties coach and the corners coach not speak to each other all season.

It would be interesting to see Taylor play while being coached in a real system (Lovie Smith) while not having to worry about a complex scheme that evidently doesn’t work anymore. I was never impressed by Williams' defense anyway, it was always vulnerable to big plays...his scheme reminds me of him; Arrogant. Players are so busy worried about "the scheme" that they've forgotten how to play football...i.e. Carlos Rogers. His defenses have always been around the leagues worst in the turnover category, even when he was with Buffalo.

It is clear that he holds back players, look at Walt Harris. Sean may have already been ruined and if he plans on having a career that’s half as good as his potential he should request a trade. I’m under the impression that Springs was the one who was quoted in the Tom Friend article and I agreed with everything that he was saying. He is smart enough to not take another season of this and I remember him joking at the end of last year as if it was his last on the team.

Every season we have one of the better teams in the league when it comes to talent, maybe what’s been holding this talent back is the coaching. It’s ridiculous when someone outside of the organization (Tiki Barber) is concerned about us not playing as a team, the coaches aren’t getting the players on the same page and I can see why after reading that article.

Expect another year of career lows for our playmakers unless Gibbs puts his foot down.

Did you watch any of the games this year? He simply did not play well. Getting the RB and WR to the ground has nothing to so with the scheme. ST needs to get back to basics and learn to wrap up whoever has the ball.

And how can you get rid of GW? The scheme may be complex. So study harder. Some of these guys need to learn how to a pros! Carlos and ST need to work harder during the offseason. The defense carried the team in 04 and 05. Had a bad year in 06. He gets a pass just like Gibbs did in 04 when the offense looked like crap.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Did you watch any of the games this year? He simply did not play well. Getting the RB and WR to the ground has nothing to so with the scheme. ST needs to get back to basics and learn to wrap up whoever has the ball.

Like 12thMan and I have been saying, this coaching staff does not put our players in a position to be successful and its not just Sean who seems to be in need of "getting back to the fundamentals", it's the whole defense. After a defensive performance like last year we would be talking about firing the defensive coach because the players just weren't ready, but it's Gregg Williams who most have a hard time turning their back on because he brought our defense back into the ranks 2 years ago.
Ask yourself this "How is it that not one single player on defense had an OK year". I mean this time of year I'm usually debating the players on our team that were robbed of the Pro Bowl, but instead I'm trying to figure out how we had any. Not to take anything away from Sean or Samuels, but even bad teams have those players that everyone feels sorry for because they're being held back by a bad team. But every player on defense was equaly bad and have regressed from a year ago.
This just does'nt sit well with me.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

Like 12thMan and I have been saying, this coaching staff does not put our players in a position to be successful and its not just Sean who seems to be in need of "getting back to the fundamentals", it's the whole defense. After a defensive performance like last year we would be talking about firing the defensive coach because the players just weren't ready, but it's Gregg Williams who most have a hard time turning their back on because he brought our defense back into the ranks 2 years ago.
Ask yourself this "How is it that not one single player on defense had an OK year". I mean this time of year I'm usually debating the players on our team that were robbed of the Pro Bowl, but instead I'm trying to figure out how we had any. Not to take anything away from Sean or Samuels, but even bad teams have those players that everyone feels sorry for because they're being held back by a bad team. But every player on defense was equaly bad and have regressed from a year ago.
This just does'nt sit well with me.

Did you ever stop and think that some players are not very good? Sorry but the left side of our defense got violated over and over again. Our defense made Travis Henry look like Jim Brown. TB which had the worst running game in the NFL ran us over. Last time I checked GW can't go out and tackle people. GW can't go out and get off blocks can he? GW can't rush the passer. When you get ran on like we did trust me it's not the coaches. Too many people always want to blame the freakin coaches. Some people on this site need to realize that our players are not any good. Some of the guys on our defense are not starting NFL players.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Did you ever stop and think that some players are not very good? Sorry but the left side of our defense got violated over and over again. Our defense made Travis Henry look like Jim Brown. TB which had the worst running game in the NFL ran us over. Last time I checked GW can't go out and tackle people. GW can't go out and get off blocks can he? GW can't rush the passer. When you get ran on like we did trust me it's not the coaches. Too many people always want to blame the freakin coaches. Some people on this site need to realize that our players are not any good. Some of the guys on our defense are not starting NFL players.

What, our players aren't very good?! C.Griff, when his game is on is Pro Bowl caliber, same with Washington, same with Taylor. Hell I'd even throw a healthy Springs in there.

Sure GW can't rush the passer and tackle, I've conceded that point. But this defense has consistently given up big plays via the pass and the run without any major adjustments, no major personnel changes.

Explain to me how we bring in McCune one year and Rocky McIntosh the next and they are relegated to special teams? I think the only reason Golston was given the opportunity to play is becasue Joe S. was banged up off and on this year. It seems like the theme of the day at Redskins Park these days is just play it safe.

I refuse to believe we have bottom of the league talent on our defense. No way in hell...yeah, I know the stats say that, but I 'aint buying it.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

listen if you think he had a good year be my guest. Come on take the blinders off he did not play up to he abilities. He got killed in coverage like roy williams does in dallas. Miss alot of tackles he normally would make. Not saying he not a good player, i am saying he sure as hell isnt a pro bowler. Lets just hope this was his bad year. I expected more from Taylor that what he produced this season. He has to be a impact player and this year he wasnt. Well his range sure didnt make any interception but one. His range didnt help when stallworth ran by him like he was asleep. His range sure didnt help him when Steven Jackson ran by him twice in the game in St louis. Im not saying he not good, he had a down year. Impact players change the game and make your team better like sanders does in Indy.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

listen if you think he had a good year be my guest. Come on take the blinders off he did not play up to he abilities. He got killed in coverage like roy williams does in dallas. Miss alot of tackles he normally would make. Not saying he not a good player, i am saying he sure as hell isnt a pro bowler. Lets just hope this was his bad year. I expected more from Taylor that what he produced this season. He has to be a impact player and this year he wasnt. Well his range sure didnt make any interception but one. His range didnt help when stallworth ran by him like he was asleep. His range sure didnt help him when Steven Jackson ran by him twice in the game in St louis. Im not saying he not good, he had a down year. Impact players change the game and make your team better like sanders does in Indy.

If I hear "Bob Sanders" one more time I am going to throw up. You know what Bob Sanders did? He was the starting safety on the worst run defense in the league. Yeah, he came back and they got hot (the linebacker change that they made helped too). Why did Indy win the big one, because the entire defense played better. Sanders will never have half the talent of Sean Taylor but Bob Sanders does have Dwight Freeney who is one of the best D-ends in football (remember what he did to Samuels)?

Roy Williams' season was worse than Taylor's so the fact that Taylor made it doesn't bother me one bit. Roy has made several on reputation, so I am supposed to be pissed that our guy made it? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

As far as Stallworth beating Taylor, big deal. If you give a QB all the time in the world he will beat every corner in the league let alone a safety. As far as Stephen Jackson goes. If your front seven lets a Pro-bowl runningback run into the secondary without even laying a finger on him, he is going to make a move on the safety and go by him.

People should be pissed at Lemar and Highway 57 (Holdman). Those are the guys who couldn't shed a block all year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

If I hear "Bob Sanders" one more time I am going to throw up. You know what Bob Sanders did? He was the starting safety on the worst run defense in the league. Yeah, he came back and they got hot (the linebacker change that they made helped too). Why did Indy win the big one, because the entire defense played better. Sanders will never have half the talent of Sean Taylor but Bob Sanders does have Dwight Freeney who is one of the best D-ends in football (remember what he did to Samuels)?

I think you just blamed Bob Sanders for the failure of the entire Colts defense, and then gave him no credit for the improvement because his teammates started playing better. That's whack.

You did earn some respect back with the Highway 57 reference, that was great!

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you just blamed Bob Sanders for the failure of the entire Colts defense, and then gave him no credit for the improvement because his teammates started playing better. That's whack.

You did earn some respect back with the Highway 57 reference, that was great!

I didn't and wouldn't pin all of the Colts regular season woes on Sanders just like I wouldn't pin the Redskins struggles on Taylor. I also wouldn't give him all of the credit for the Colts getting hot when he came back. All of their defensive players played better. Sanders helped Indy, no doubt, but everyone is acting like put the team on his shoulders like Ray Lewis did. Bob Sanders didn't bring Indy back against the Pats.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I didn't and wouldn't pin all of the Colts regular season woes on Sanders just like I wouldn't pin the Redskins struggles on Taylor. I also wouldn't give him all of the credit for the Colts getting hot when he came back. All of their defensive players played better. Sanders helped Indy, no doubt, but everyone is acting like put the team on his shoulders like Ray Lewis did. Bob Sanders didn't bring Indy back against the Pats.

I think you are right here. Bob Sanders was not the difference in the Colts run D in the playoffs. Likewise, he wasn't the problem in the regular season. The problem is obviously in their front 7, a front 7 that was adjusted though personel changes and schematically though the course of the season.

Still, Bob Sanders is a pretty good safety in this league, and is certainly more technically sound then Sean Taylor. It's tough to directly compare safeties who play on different teams though, and I'm not going to say one is better than the other.

[dmek25]

grim, is your man love for Taylor so great that you cant be unbiased when accessing Taylor's play? there was no one on that defense that should be in the pro bowl

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dmek25

grim, is your man love for Taylor so great that you cant be unbiased when accessing Taylor's play? there was no one on that defense that should be in the pro bowl

Well, I look at it this way. ST should not have been in the Pro Bowl this year because he missed a lot of tackles and was mediocre in coverage. However, I think he should have made it last year. Roy has made it the last two years on reputation. In my opinion Taylor's season was better than Roy's. Roy stuck out like a sore thumb this year. Taylor gets beat on a big play every now and then but if you throw at him continuously he will either pick it or put your receiver in the hospital. Roy gets victimized. The Redskins abused him and the Saints made him look like he didn't belong in the NFL.

What I don't understand is how so many people are upset that Taylor made it. The last time I checked, this is supposed to be a Redskins site. Shouldn't we be happy when our players get recognition? All I hear is that Taylor and Samuels didn't deserve to go to Hawaii.

I hear what is being sold but I am not buying.

[dmek25]

i am happy that 2 skins are going.and i agree that Taylor should have made it last season. but by putting players on the roster that don't belong just cheapens the whole thing

[Pocket$ $traight]

Reggie Wayne just made a "career decision"....

[itvnetop]

uh... yeah swoop... i think that punter is gonna shank the next one.