WP: Redskins Targeting London Fletcher, Nate Clements

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

you definately can get a late 1st and 2nd. you could work in another pick, like 5th through 7th.

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finding a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely to happen hope that we can swing a deal to get more picks we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a monumental risk on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finidng a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely hope that we can swing a deal to get another pick we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a chance on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Oh so you just take out like a personal ad in the NFL weekly and wait for all the offers to come in huh? I am sure it is that simple.

Ever noticed how move up trades only happen on the day of the draft? That's because no one trades their picks until they have already gone through free agency since free agency changes the entire landscape including what holes you have and what holes other teams have thereby determining what chance you will have to fill your holes in the draft. Again it is way too simplistic and in this case naive to think we can just make a trade like it is no big deal.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Agreed. Sure you don't show everyone your hand. There will be a major impact player available at #6. Think of it this way, there will be a #1 at most positions on the field available. Maybe MLB, Safety, Dline, etc. Some teams fall in love w/ certain players and think this player will put them over the hump. So we most likely can get good value for the 6th, but if not...

No biggie- we've got a great pick. It just all depends on the FA's, how much cap room we have & how much we rate the players coming out. Do we have enough cap room to sign the 6th pick, a starting mlb (fletcher) and (clements)? W/out looking i would think it might be difficult w/ out some serious restructuring - cuts. Point is we do have some major holes to fill and the FO has to be smart about this.

[MonkFan4Life]

IF the Giants are dumb enough to let Pierce go I will PERSONALLY buy a thank you card and send it to Jerry Reese !

[Big C]

the lions allowed dre bly to seek a trade (espn). he is from virginia, we should see what they want for him

[dmek25]

too much money, thats want he wants

[That Guy]

wow, #56, i'm sure glad you'll never run anything related to football.

look at the success rate of 1st round picks to 6th round picks. If you're so dense as to not see the difference in success as a whole, I can't help you, and there won't be many that can.

as for exception, guess what? he WAS NUMBER THREE IN THE LEAGUE in tackles, so he's probably more likely to be good than bad. what's you alternative? sign back lavar and move him to MLB? yeah, that's f'ing hilarious, good luck with that.

YOU DO NOT count on trade downs. yeah the skins seem to be able to swing trades on draft day just fine, but unless you're blind, you'd notice that they tend to be the ones getting ripped off and trading UP, not down.

seriously, which NFL are you watching?

you need to judge players individually, you can't just say, "well they signed bruce smith and he was old and didn't work out, so we should never sign an old guy ever again". that's retarded. at the time those old guys were signed, plenty of people knew they weren't going to be so hot, AND, btw, remember last offseason? you know, when we signed all those YOUNG guys? yeah, how'd that work out?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by That Guy

wow, #56, i'm sure glad you'll never run anything related to football.

look at the success rate of 1st round picks to 6th round picks. If you're so dense as to not see the difference in success as a whole, I can't help you, and there won't be many that can.

as for exception, guess what? he WAS NUMBER THREE IN THE LEAGUE in tackles, so he's probably more likely to be good than bad. what's you alternative? sign back lavar and move him to MLB? yeah, that's f'ing hilarious, good luck with that.

YOU DO NOT count on trade downs. yeah the skins seem to be able to swing trades on draft day just fine, but unless you're blind, you'd notice that they tend to be the ones getting ripped off and trading UP, not down.

seriously, which NFL are you watching?

you need to judge players individually, you can't just say, "well they signed bruce smith and he was old and didn't work out, so we should never sign an old guy ever again". that's retarded. at the time those old guys were signed, plenty of people knew they weren't going to be so hot, AND, btw, remember last offseason? you know, when we signed all those YOUNG guys? yeah, how'd that work out?

that is real mature calling someone dense. I never questioned the success rate of a 1st round player vs a 6th round player. Obviously 1st rounders,2nd rounders are "predicted" to have better careers, 6th and 7th rounders are lucky to make the roster. My point was, they guys have never played in the NFL and nothing is 100% definate, that this player is going to be a stud. grow up and stop insulting people because they dont agree with you. AGAIN..and AGAIN..and AGAIN... LET ME SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME....I WILL TYPE IT BIG SO MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER. I NEVER HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT FLETCHER BEING A BAD PLAYER. IN FACT I HAVE SAID HE IS A GOOD PLAYER. IF WE SIGN HIM GOOD, IF WE DONT GOOD! I AM NOT HATING ON THE GUY. IF THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, SIGN HIM. I HAVE NEVER SAID NOT TO. I SAID EXHAUST ALL OTHER RESOURCES, IF THERE ARE NONE, THEN SIGN HIM. HELL I WILL BUY HIS JERSEY IF IT WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY. 2ND, NO I WOULD NOT SIGN LAVAR BACK AND PLAY HIM IN THE MIDDLE. NO I WOULD NOT SIGN LAVAR BACK AT ALL PROBABLY. HE IS NOT GOING TO BE HEALTHY, SO DONT WASTE THE MONEY.

Now, of the old players that have seemed to not work out. Bruce, Sanders, Carrier, George, wright. I am sure there may be a few here and there over the last 8 years I have left off, but again my point : we have not had much luck with signing aging veterans. Hell, not much luck at signing anyone lately. Which, goes back to keeping our picks and develping young players.

OUT!
Dude, seriously. grow up and stop insulting people. it is people like you that make these threads not that enjoyable. people enjoy debating their opinions and philosophies. When people start the name calling and how stupid blah blah blah, it really takes the fun out of it. right or wrong, its an opinion. the mods should take notice of people insulting other and put them on notice or something. it is really not needed here. If any of us here had any capability of running a team, we would be there. so dont put more weight on your ideas than any one elses. Your ideas go as far in the organization as anyone elses.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

not to critize what he said but as i recall adalius thomas rotated at every position on the ravens defense this season and i know that is not an easy thing to do

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

So Instead Of Flecther Why Not Go After Thomas He Is Faster Stronger And Bigger 270 Pounds To Be Exact And On Top Of That He Can Rush The Passer Drop Into Coverage And He Is Way Taller Than London Fletcher

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

while that is true i am getting that feeling i got when we drafted carlos rogers over shawn merriman

[jdlea]

I've been advocating the pursuit of London Fletcher since the middle of last season (the first Giants game) when I realized that Marshall is garbage. I think that Flet would come relatively cheap and flourish in Williams' system. He's also a great leader and I think he understands he'd be a stopgap for the Skins. That could free up the team to go out and make a late round pick (if they ever scout a decent one) at MLB and let Fletcher tutor him so that he can eventually take over.

That said, I'd love to see Adalius Thomas end up here, I just think that's a pipe dream. I don't know that the Skins have a shot at him, but stranger things always happen in the offseason in Washington.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

i understand that london fletcher knows the system BUT ONCE AGAIN i am feeling the mike barrow thing all over again

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

i understand that london fletcher knows the system BUT ONCE AGAIN i am feeling the mike barrow thing all over again

I understand why people would be opposed to picking up Fletcher (namely, he's old). But, there is a big difference between Barrow and Fletcher - Fletcher is NOT coming off of a devastating knee injury. So, other than the fact that both Barrow and Fletcher are old and play MLB, I don't see the similarity or any reason to expect that Fletcher's career is over.