Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

Dude on PTI said that Spags should be the HC by wednesday, and then he mentioned Cowher... I thought Cowher was ruled out and that "Fassel is expected to be hired"

Does he know something we dont know? I am so sick of waiting.

PTI= Kornhieser was joking .....he does'nt know .Why would spags come here after you hired a DC already,would'nt he want to put in his own system?

[Bozzy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

PTI= Kornhieser was joking .....he does'nt know .Why would spags come here after you hired a DC already,would'nt he want to put in his own system?

Exactly. it'll be fassel or mooch.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by Giantone

PTI= Kornhieser was joking .....he does'nt know .

I am begining to wonder if even VC or DS knows... if it is fassel why havnt they announced it yet? I honestly thought I would wake up to news of some kind. Something smells funny and if after waiting all this time its Fassel, I will be pretty upset.

[SmootSmack]

Fassel has done plenty in his career as a position coach, coordinator, and head coach to prove himself.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Fassel has done plenty in his career as a position coach, coordinator, and head coach to prove himself.

What, like blowing a 24 point lead to the 49ers in a playoff game, being a absolute dog as the Ravens OC, and getting blown out in Super Bowl 35? I'm tired of recycled coaches, and Fassel is not even close to the optimal choice if Synder is going to go down this tired road again.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

What, like blowing a 24 point lead to the 49ers in a playoff game, being a absolute dog as the Ravens OC, and getting blown out in Super Bowl 35? I'm tired of recycled coaches, and Fassel is not even close to the optimal choice if Synder is going to go down this tired road again.

"Recycled" coaches have had some pretty good success (as I and other have noted earlier) their second time around.

As for the Super Bowl knock, when is the last time we were even in the Super Bowl?

People want to talk about getting crushed by the Ravens but what about what they did to get there? They hammered Daunte Culpepper, Cris Carter, Randy Moss and the rest of the high powered Vikings to the tune of 41-0 in the NFC Championship game.

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

(Phil Simms): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

(John Elway)"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

(Phil Simms): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

(John Elway)"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel!

He better have developed two first round pick QB's one of them #1 overall pick (Elway). I'll give the Danny Kannel credit, but I still don't buy into his coaching resume. I pray that he's not our next HC, give me Mooch, Meeks or Spags!!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Recycled" coaches have had some pretty good success (as I and other have noted earlier) their second time around.

As for the Super Bowl knock, when is the last time we were even in the Super Bowl?

People want to talk about getting crushed by the Ravens but what about what they did to get there? They hammered Daunte Culpepper, Cris Carter, Randy Moss and the rest of the high powered Vikings to the tune of 41-0 in the NFC Championship game.

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

(Phil Simms): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

(John Elway)"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel!

Yeah, recycled coaches have done wonders for us haven't they? Gibbs has been the only one with any modicum of success, and he just happened to be a Hall of Famer. As for Simms and Elway, they would've been darn good even if I had coached them. As for Danny Kannel and the boys, some teams just get by with smoke and mirrors sometimes, especially in the free agent era.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys listed, which is why he'd be a disastrous choice for a franchise looking to build on some recent, rare momentum.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys.

Don't forget Marty, Chris Palmer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Yeah, recycled coaches have done wonders for us haven't they? Gibbs has been the only one with any modicum of success, and he just happened to be a Hall of Famer. As for Simms and Elway, they would've been darn good even if I had coached them. As for Danny Kannel and the boys, some teams just get by with smoke and mirrors sometimes, especially in the free agent era.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys listed, which is why he'd be a disastrous choice for a franchise looking to build on some recent rare momentum.

Fair enough. I think we can agree that plenty of retread coaches have been very successful, and others not so much.

[htownskinfan]

I think I want Spags because then maybe we would finally get some studs for the def line

[SmootSmack]

Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?

Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.

So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?

That's the unknown, in my opinion that's the fun of it. Fassel has had coaching chances, it's these new guys turn. What have we got to lose that we haven't already by letting Saunders and Williams go?