Redskins Deny Bryant Johnson Visit Scheduled

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by angryssg

He brought up his completion percentage to 60%, but he stiil threw 12 TD's and 11 INT's. His QB rating was only 77. He needs to get through his progressions quicker, get rid of the ball quicker, deliver the deep ball more accurately, stop forcing the ball in the redzone and learn a new offense this offseason. That is a task, hence the words "light years away". It was a bit of an exaggeration, but so were the words "on the verge" IMO. How about we compromise and say "still developing with promise".

Moss was injured a couple of times and had the worst game of his life @ Green Bay. However, Todd Collins, a career backup had over a 100 QB rating through 4 games with the same corps of WR's. Todd Collins by no means has all of the physical tools that Campbell does, but he is more seasoned. Collins is nowhere near being one of the better QB's in the league, but right now he has a leg up on our beloved Campbell.

The bottom line is I want Campbell to succeed and be of the same caliber as Peyton, Rothlisberger, McNabb or Brady. Simply put it is going to take more time.

Good points, but I still think if you look at the three game stretch from Philly to TB you see a QB really close to being very good. You will likely bring up the costly INTs at Dallas and at Tampa that ended those games, but that is the hurdle he needs to cross. Winning games in the fourth quarter is the toughest thing to do and one of the last real progressions for NFL QBs. We saw what happened to Todd Collins when the ball was in his hand and he had to go win a game sans a running game during the Playoffs. He ended up looking a lot like Campbell did. Campbell has some development left, certainly, but I think you aren't really giving him enough credit for the development he showed from 2006 to 2007 and then during the course of 2007. I am concerned about the new offense (you saw how Phillip Rivers struggled this year, even though the offense was more or less the same but with Norv calling the plays). I guess we are actually pretty close in our opinions, but with a different tone to similar points.

Campbell

Philly 23-34, 67.6%, 215 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints
Dallas 33-54, 61.1%, 348 yards, 2 tds, 1 int
Tampa 30-49, 61.2%, 301 yards, 1 td, 2 ints

86-137, 62.7%, 864 yards, 6 tds, 3 ints

Collins

NYG 8-25, 32%, 166 yards, 0 tds, 0 ints
Min 22-29, 75.9%, 254 yards, 2 tds, 0 ints
Dal 22-31, 71.0%, 244 yards, 1 td, 0 ints

52-85, 61.2%, 664 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints

Obviously the game against the Giants was very windy and difficult conditions. If I substituted the Seattle game the numbers look like:

73-110, 66.4%, 764, 5 tds, 2 ints

I'm not detracting from what Collins was able to do, but I think by comparing Collins performance to Campbells and saying it demonstrates the huge progress that still remains for Jason, you aren't giving proper credit to what Jason was doing in the three games prior to his injury (not counting Buffalo, because obviously that was a very unique situation). You also don't consider how much better the defense performed at the end of the year and the fact that Collins was never put in a position where he had to go out in the fourth quarter and win a game (or try to carry a team that was unable to run the football).

Personally, I think Jason demonstrated that he is closer than you suggest, but obviously the new offense will be a great challenge.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Good points, but I still think if you look at the three game stretch from Philly to TB you see a QB really close to being very good. You will likely bring up the costly INTs at Dallas and at Tampa that ended those games, but that is the hurdle he needs to cross. Winning games in the fourth quarter is the toughest thing to do and one of the last real progressions for NFL QBs. We saw what happened to Todd Collins when the ball was in his hand and he had to go win a game sans a running game during the Playoffs. He ended up looking a lot like Campbell did. Campbell has some development left, certainly, but I think you aren't really giving him enough credit for the development he showed from 2006 to 2007 and then during the course of 2007. I am concerned about the new offense (you saw how Phillip Rivers struggled this year, even though the offense was more or less the same but with Norv calling the plays). I guess we are actually pretty close in our opinions, but with a different tone to similar points.

Campbell

Philly 23-34, 67.6%, 215 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints
Dallas 33-54, 61.1%, 348 yards, 2 tds, 1 int
Tampa 30-49, 61.2%, 301 yards, 1 td, 2 ints

86-137, 62.7%, 864 yards, 6 tds, 3 ints

Collins

NYG 8-25, 32%, 166 yards, 0 tds, 0 ints
Min 22-29, 75.9%, 254 yards, 2 tds, 0 ints
Dal 22-31, 71.0%, 244 yards, 1 td, 0 ints

52-85, 61.2%, 664 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints

Obviously the game against the Giants was very windy and difficult conditions. If I substituted the Seattle game the numbers look like:

73-110, 66.4%, 764, 5 tds, 2 ints

I'm not detracting from what Collins was able to do, but I think by comparing Collins performance to Campbells and saying it demonstrates the huge progress that still remains for Jason, you aren't giving proper credit to what Jason was doing in the three games prior to his injury (not counting Buffalo, because obviously that was a very unique situation). You also don't consider how much better the defense performed at the end of the year and the fact that Collins was never put in a position where he had to go out in the fourth quarter and win a game (or try to carry a team that was unable to run the football).

Personally, I think Jason demonstrated that he is closer than you suggest, but obviously the new offense will be a great challenge.

Points taken, Campbell was in more games needing a comeback win. But, what were Campbell's stats in games that didn't require a come from behind attempt.That might tell the true story.
Campbell did make strides from 06 to 07 and he needs to do just as much if not more from 07 to 08.

[MTK]

If JC is light years away we're in big trouble.

With 20 starts under his belt he'd better be pretty close to turning the corner.

[skinsfan242]

The way I see it is that Campbell played well but our playcalling was not ideal. I think Saunders got in a zone late in the season. The quick hitters and the running pays had defenses off balance. Earlier in the season it was lets try to run every play and then pass. It wasn't working. Campbell made some great plays and was improving but I think the team hit its stride and everything was clicking at the end of the year. I think Campbell would have had the same results as Collins given the same opportunity. We saw what can happen when we are playing well. I think Gibbs had a knack for getting his players to play the best in December.

Campbell is going to do realyl well this season and I hope Anthony Mix helps him out. I think the sky is the limit for both of them.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I just read on Redskins.com that he doesnt have a visit sent.

[SmootSmack]

I think both sides have expressed interest but nothing "official" was set. My gut feeling is that he liked Buffalo and wants to play there (Maybe he doesn't want the pressure of playing near home?).

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think both sides have expressed interest but nothing "official" was set. My gut feeling is that he liked Buffalo and wants to play there (Maybe he doesn't want the pressure of playing near home?).

Who the hell would want to go to buffalo...it was 60 degrees up here yesterday, and were bracing for an ice storm as we speak...seriously.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Who the hell would want to go to buffalo...it was 60 degrees up here yesterday, and were bracing for an ice storm as we speak...seriously.

LOL, that's why I ran as fast as I could from upstate NY.. 82 and sunny today in Ft. Lauderdale!!

I hope we take a look at him. Right now we've got a gaping hole at #2 WR that he could fill nicely..

[BleedBurgundy]

At about 5 pm Sirius reported that Bryant Johnson did have a visit scheduled.

[skinsfan_nn]

Here's a multimedia video of one of the Bills apparent staff reporters interviewing Bryant Johnson this afternoon. Sounds like next stop is Redskin Park.

Multimedia - Buffalo Bills

[freddyg12]

sounds like he wants to shuffle up to buffalo.

see the around the web thread, the quotes in the rochester paper, if accurate, sound pretty much like the dude's made his mind up, but is going through the motions of a visit. No problem, get the big $ in buffalo w/Dock.

[redskinsfanatic]

anybody hear on comcast last nite that the redskins are going after deangelo hall cause they think he's the best cb out there?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

no i havent heard that

[That Guy]

i really rather not waste a ton of money on him, and i have a feeling we're not landing him for 4mill/per or less.

[skinsfan_nn]

I'm listening to Redskin radio for lunch. They have Vinny on answering questions. The very first question was from someone from extreme skins.

The very first question was Vinny we heard Bryant Johnson was rumored to be in DC tomorrow for interviews with the Skins?

Vinny's answer, No hes not. And right now we have NO interviews lined up.

This is just me thinking out loud.....he didn't ask if he was there yesterday or prior, but you would have to wonder if he's even in there thinking process at this point?