Willis picks Seahawks over SKINS

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or Brian Cushing (I think it's starting to come full circle back to him...few more weeks to go though)

I really hope you're wrong about Cushing. His durability isn't worth a 13th overall pick and besides he played next to a phenom at USC... i know it goes both ways but think Cushing benefited more from Rey than the other way round.

... i think i remember you said Rey would be "overkill" at 13 in another thread. I don't get what you mean...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I really hope you're wrong about Cushing. His durability isn't worth a 13th overall pick and besides he played next to a phenom at USC... i know it goes both ways but think Cushing benefited more from Rey than the other way round.

... i think i remember you said Rey would be "overkill" at 13 in another thread. I don't get what you mean...

I don't know that he's worth a 13th overall pick, but his durability really that big an issue? How much time did he miss other than his freshman year.

I don't remember saying Rey would be "overkill" at 13, but I would say that I have more concerns with him at 13 than Cushing at 13 because I know Cushing can be a SAM. Not as sure about Rey. I like them both, but honestly neither at 13.

(edited your original post to fix the quote)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know that he's worth a 13th overall pick, but his durability really that big an issue? How much time did he miss other than his freshman year.

I don't remember saying Rey would be "overkill" at 13, but I would say that I have more concerns with him at 13 than Cushing at 13 because I know Cushing can be a SAM. Not as sure about Rey. I like them both, but honestly neither at 13.

(edited your original post to fix the quote)

Gotcha, it's Cushing's natural ability at SLB while Rey may struggle in coverage. However... Rey could probably play WLB w/ success for a couple years before moving to the middle. Rocky would be SLB in this scenario and I think he'd do well.

... I'm of the opinion great defenses, most especially the 4-3 defense, need a monster at MLB. I haven't seen anything like Rey (out of college) in quite awhile and 1) we're relatively close to needing a replacement at the position 2) i have a hard time believing Rey won't be at least as good as Rocky has been at WLB in the interim

[redskinjim]

it does not matter which one we get they both are very average talent

[SBXVII]

Are there no half decent RT's in the CFL to draw from? Someone Buges could coach up? Our only hope is FA and the draft?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Are there no half decent RT's in the CFL to draw from? Someone Buges could coach up? Our only hope is FA and the draft?

Here's a link (hope it works) showing what's left in FA. Barnes is the highest rated and he gave up 7.5 sacks last year

NFL Free Agency - 2009 NFL Free Agents and Signings - ESPN

After Barnes it's Tauscher... so yeah I'd say it's the draft. I hope Oher and A. Smith fall to 13 so we can at least choose based on our scouting/interviews/etc. If this is the case we come out smelling like roses cuz the o-line will be balls compared to last year.

[GTripp0012]

I heard Barnes was reneging on his deal with the Raiders so it's remotely possible that Vinny could have blown him away with an offer to be our RT.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I heard Barnes was reneging on his deal with the Raiders so it's remotely possible that Vinny could have blown him away with an offer to be our RT.

I thought we we're limited on money now. About $9 mill in cap room and we've got LDE to address and a couple FA who were on our roster last year to re-sign and then the rookies... how much do u think we could reasonably offer Barnes?

... and what do you think of him for RT?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I thought we we're limited on money now. About $9 mill in cap room and we've got LDE to address and a couple FA who were on our roster last year to re-sign and then the rookies... how much do u think we could reasonably offer Barnes?

... and what do you think of him for RT?

I think he can handle the position. He's not an ideal solution, but he's young and won't embarrass himself and his family out there. Baby steps.

It would at least allow us to go with a defensive stud in the first round if we got him, but it wouldn't fix the interior OL problems that haunted us last year (obviously).

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think he can handle the position. He's not an ideal solution, but he's young and won't embarrass himself and his family out there. Baby steps.

It would at least allow us to go with a defensive stud in the first round if we got him, but it wouldn't fix the interior OL problems that haunted us last year (obviously).

Maybe I'm being optimistic but I don't foresee the interior collapse again. Dock is an upgrade and unless Thomas' injury is really more serious than we've been led to believe I think he fights back very hard. Also, if we do add OT talent then Jansen should be moved inside and again I think he's a fighter... limited physically in his lateral movement but just a tough SOB who will rebound on the interior for as long as he can stay healthy.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I thought we we're limited on money now. About $9 mill in cap room and we've got LDE to address and a couple FA who were on our roster last year to re-sign and then the rookies... how much do u think we could reasonably offer Barnes?

... and what do you think of him for RT?

Goat, People tap danced around your question. I feel that if they could get Haynesworth with the 14 mill they had available then they most certainly figure out how to get Barnes with the 9 mill they have now. Also keep in mind they kept Hall also with that 14 mill. I think Barnes is playing both teams against each other if he went back to the Raiders asking for them to match something we offered.

I find it funny that last week we heard both Willis and Barnes were coming to the Skins for interviews. Then this morning I read that a Redskin official said no Barnes was not brought in over the weekend and no FA's have been scheduled to meet with them. Then by afternoon I read Barnes had an oppointment with the Skins today. What gives? Did he, Does he, or Does he not?

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I heard Barnes was reneging on his deal with the Raiders so it's remotely possible that Vinny could have blown him away with an offer to be our RT.

Maybe, but I strongly doubt it. He will demand to much cash for one. Second Khalif is a natural LT from what I've heard and read he can play RT but this is not is strong side.

I don't see him being blown away with a big offer to come to DC.

[mrreddman]

HELL NO to Wynn and or Cushing. One is old and sucked here the last time he was here and the other is already injury prone and possibly a product of the system.
Gotta be Rey or Oher/Smith at #13 and the opposite in the 3rd round of whatever we do in the first with LB/RT.

[gully]

This trade down scenario with detroit (13 for 20, 33) has merit and deserves further discussion.

The smart and safe move for DET is to pick Monroe (or Jason Smith) #1 at OT. Excellent OTs are exceptionally rare. I think Monroe will be the pick.

followed by picks #2-12: blah, insert results from crystal ball here. The only important thing is that Stafford *not* get picked in this group. Looking over the first 12 teams, San Francisco at #10 might be the only team where Stafford would make sense, and for purposes of this trade, I hope they go with someone else.

This is where and why the skins can trade #13 for #20, #33: Stafford probably won't make it past the jets at #17. And DET makes this trade to ensure they get Stafford at a much better slot - they almost can't miss with picking Monroe at #1, but Stafford ... who knows? #1 demands way too much guaranteed money. #13 is just right.

They pull the trigger, and we get #20 and #33.

Redskins select Mack at #20 - some say it's a reach, but we can all see the trend in the NFL toward the 3-4, with massive freaks of nature at NT. The skins also don't want Haynesworth accidently killing Campbell in practice by running of Rabach.

In the event of an injury to Dockery or Thomas, Mack moves to G and Rabach moves to C again.

#33: Redskins select Eben Britton to play RT. And I'm spent.

[ChickenMonkey]

Originally Posted by gully

This trade down scenario with detroit (13 for 20, 33) has merit and deserves further discussion.

The smart and safe move for DET is to pick Monroe (or Jason Smith) #1 at OT. Excellent OTs are exceptionally rare. I think Monroe will be the pick.

followed by picks #2-12: blah, insert results from crystal ball here. The only important thing is that Stafford *not* get picked in this group. Looking over the first 12 teams, San Francisco at #10 might be the only team where Stafford would make sense, and for purposes of this trade, I hope they go with someone else.

This is where and why the skins can trade #13 for #20, #33: Stafford probably won't make it past the jets at #17. And DET makes this trade to ensure they get Stafford at a much better slot - they almost can't miss with picking Monroe at #1, but Stafford ... who knows? #1 demands way too much guaranteed money. #13 is just right.

They pull the trigger, and we get #20 and #33.

Redskins select Mack at #20 - some say it's a reach, but we can all see the trend in the NFL toward the 3-4, with massive freaks of nature at NT. The skins also don't want Haynesworth accidently killing Campbell in practice by running of Rabach.

In the event of an injury to Dockery or Thomas, Mack moves to G and Rabach moves to C again.

#33: Redskins select Eben Britton to play RT. And I'm spent.

Great plan but taking a C/G with the first pick is overkill..We deperately need a DE & OT, though Mack is a great player, its not feasable

DE Tyson Jackson makes more sense and fills a need ...

Im all in on OT Britton or Meredith at #33