the new health care?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

OK, then what do we do? just let things go on the way they are? pretty soon no one will make a decent wage, because of employers rising health care costs. and that's very hypocritical of you to all of a sudden worry about the national debt. where were you the last 8 years? right now, every U.S. business is feeling the bad economy. i promise, things will get better

The problem is that goverment has shown time and time again that they cannot do things effecient and without tons of red tape. From your statement you act as if when the goverment takes over health ins that the hugh cost will go away and I say it will only increase. This will cause higher taxes on business and tax payers. If I was forced to provide health coverage for all my employees I would have to let someone go.

[MTK]

Is there any sector that is running things in the green right now?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is there any sector that is running things in the green right now?

My office has grown in the past year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

My office has grown in the past year.

My bad, I wasn't aware your office was it's own sector.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My bad, I wasn't aware your office was it's own sector.

In my eyes it is.LOL

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is there any sector that is running things in the green right now?

I think Wal-mart is up

[dmek25]

Joe, i never said Obama's plan is the right one. or even that its going to work. but the system, the way its set up now, doesn't work. it needs fixed. im willing to suffer thru some setbacks, until it gets righted. i already know alot of people aren't

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, i never said Obama's plan is the right one. or even that its going to work. but the system, the way its set up now, doesn't work. it needs fixed. im willing to suffer thru some setbacks, until it gets righted. i already know alot of people aren't

I would not say the system doesn't work but I do agree that we can do better then the current system. I'm just against goverment taking over the system because I feel it will get worse instead of getting any better.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, i never said Obama's plan is the right one. or even that its going to work. but the system, the way its set up now, doesn't work. it needs fixed. im willing to suffer thru some setbacks, until it gets righted. i already know alot of people aren't

Well, what is the right plan? Before we going tearing up an imperfect system that provides coverage for 80% of the population, shouldn't we have an idea of what's coming? You want me to suffer through setbacks? I am perfectly fine with sacrifice if you can point me to something that will ultimately lead to a better system.

This self-righteous "you're just afraid of change" bs is just that. Fiscal conservatives are perfectly willing to make short term sacrifices for long term gains. Their just isn't a plan out there that can w/stand any sort of scrutiny and fit that description.

You, like me, don't have a plan. Unlike you, however, I recognize that "change" for change's sake could lead to something even worse than the current system.

[dmek25]

like i asked earlier, then what would you do about it?

[saden1]

Well, this thread has recovered nicely.

[Hog1]

Does anybody REALLY believe our representatives are concerned with what we think, or make decisions based on what is best for the American people? That they are going to do what is right, rather than self serving issues they are concerned about? It does not appear so to me.

[SmootSmack]

JoeRedskin started a good thread that we should move this whole discussion to, let's keep this on health care (or at least try to get it back there)

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

JoeRedskin started a good thread that we should move this whole discussion to, let's keep this on health care (or at least try to get it back there)

In an attempt to do so, I am still waiting for dmek's response to this exchange:

Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, i never said Obama's plan is the right one. or even that its going to work. but the system, the way its set up now, doesn't work. it needs fixed. im willing to suffer thru some setbacks, until it gets righted. i already know alot of people aren't

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, what is the right plan? Before we going tearing up an imperfect system that provides coverage for 80% of the population, shouldn't we have an idea of what's coming? You want me to suffer through setbacks? I am perfectly fine with sacrifice if you can point me to something that will ultimately lead to a better system.

This self-righteous "you're just afraid of change" bs is just that. Fiscal conservatives are perfectly willing to make short term sacrifices for long term gains. Their just isn't a plan out there that can w/stand any sort of scrutiny and fit that description.

You, like me, don't have a plan. Unlike you, however, I recognize that "change" for change's sake could lead to something even worse than the current system.

So I will ask again: What's your plan dmek ?

[dmek25]

Joe, i long or the day that any American that is sick, or needs medical attention, can visit the doctor, and be helped. not worrying about co pays, referrals, or if the have enough money to meet their deductibles. it shouldn't matter if your rich, or poor. i know im living a pipe dream. but i see dozens at work every day, that are of retirement age, that are afraid to go, because they are worried about paying for their health care. in my book, its just not fair. to answer you, i don't know the answer. and sorry it took so long to reply. im working 3-11 this week