Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft

[vallin21]

Like I said earlier this is a good pick by Vinny, for a kid that would've been a 2-3 next April had he played. This just sends a message to Buzbee/Jackson that they might not be around to see camp. It's kinda cool that we have 3 rookies who can contribute right now on D.

Man I'm so hyped for training camp

[budw38]

Redskins select Jarmon in NFL supplemental draft - Sporting News staff reports - NFL - Sporting News

[rypper11]

Great pick. Really surprising, but great. If we can maintain a top 5 def this year and get some TO's then it takes the pressure of having to win the game of JC. Then he can manage and be safe which plays to his strengths.

[DBUCHANON101]

Production 2 2005: Redshirted; 2006: (13/6) 30 tackles, 6.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR; 2007: (13/13) 62 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 1 FR, Second-Team All-SEC; 2008: (12/10) 38 tackles, 10 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 6 PBU, 2 FF, Honorable Mention All-SEC
H-W-S ratio 2 Prototypical height, bulk and top-end speed.
Durability 4 2008: Tears knee cartilage during Vanderbilt game, undergoes arthroscopic surgery and misses Tennessee game. 2005: Sustains shoulder injury during the summer and doesn't practice until midway though the season.
Intangibles 4 Ruled ineligible for 2009 season after testing positive for a banned substance. Was UK's Co-Most Outstanding Defensive Player in 2007. Effort appears inconsistent on film.
Pass-rush skills 2 Explosive first step and should be able to turn the corner working against most NFL right tackles. Strong bull-rusher who flashes an effective push-pull move but didn't show on film the ability to set tackles up to the outside and then redirect inside.
Athleticism/versatility 2 Above-average lateral mobility for his size and looks fluid running line stunts. Agile and comfortable enough in space to move to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 scheme. Stout enough to develop into an effective power end for a base 4-3 team and effective 5-technique for a base 3-4 team.
Versus the run 3 Does an adequate job of staying low and anchoring when teams run at him. Can stack and shed tight ends/tackles. Flashes the ability to shed blocks in time to make plays at the line of scrimmage but is inconsistent in this area. Takes adequate pursuit angles and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes but lacks ideal range.
Instincts/competitiveness 4 Can rush too far upfield or collapse inside prematurely, making him vulnerable to misdirection, but his biggest flaw is an inconsistent motor. Appears to take plays off and can gear down when teams run away from him. Flashes a mean streak and plays with emotion at other times. Does an excellent job of getting his hands up when he sees the quarterback start a throwing motion. Does an adequate job of locating the ball carrier.
Overall From a purely physical standpoint Jarmon is capable of making an impact in the NFL. He could have played his way into being a first-day pick in the 2010 draft, but questionable instincts and recent off-the-field issues raise significant concerns for us.
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[Hamoskinz]

Well, Vinny is getting some love now. Hope by April next year we are still in love with this move.

But I'm psyched up as well. Jarmon can certainly learn a few tips from Daniels & Wynn.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Hamoskinz

Well, Vinny is getting some love now. Hope by April next year we are still in love with this move.

But I'm psyched up as well. Jarmon can certainly learn a few tips from Daniels & Wynn.

Well to that I say, our biggest criticism of the FO has been "not building through the draft", giving picks away in trades, and overpaying washed up veterans (and keeping old players).

In the past two drafts, the team has drafted/signed a young defensive line (Orakpo, Jarmon, Big Al who is 28); a young receiving group (Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Roydell Williams who is only 28); a fairly young DB group (Horton, D. Hall, Barnes, Tryon, who join Rogers and Landry who are also fairly young). I think these have been very good moves, and I think the defense is set for the future (as long as they address the LB position in the next draft/free agency).

I do hope that next year, in addition to addressing the LBs, they would address the offensive line (their 1st rounder needs to be a lineman), and the RB position. So far, I'm fine with the influx of young players they have had, of course now they need to produce and get Ws.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well to that I say, our biggest criticism of the FO has been "not building through the draft", giving picks away in trades, and overpaying washed up veterans (and keeping old players).

In the past two drafts, the team has drafted/signed a young defensive line (Orakpo, Jarmon, Big Al who is 28); a young receiving group (Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Roydell Williams who is only 28); a fairly young DB group (Horton, D. Hall, Barnes, Tryon, who join Rogers and Landry who are also fairly young). I think these have been very good moves, and I think the defense is set for the future (as long as they address the LB position in the next draft/free agency).

I do hope that next year, in addition to addressing the LBs, they would address the offensive line (their 1st rounder needs to be a lineman), and the RB position. So far, I'm fine with the influx of young players they have had, of course now they need to produce and get Ws.

Time will tell if any of the draft picks pan out. Most of them haven't seen the field yet so we don't know if these are good moves or not.

[ethat001]

Anyone with insight on his injuries? Sounds like he had some shoulder issues in 2005 and 2008?

I *LOVE* the prospect of getting a fierce YOUNG D-line. Now we all really wish we could fix the O-line since our offense has been the bigger problem. So does this mean we get an OL (?RT) as a 1st round pick, and then OLB in the 2nd next year? I really hope Campbell is a beast this year so we don't have to use our picks for another project QB..

[skinsnut]

Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.

I have the same concern. However, we still have the two best picks - at least we didn't spend one of them. Since we now have a surplus of defensive linemen as well, maybe we can pick up an extra (if very low) pick in a trade.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I have the same concern. However, we still have the two best picks - at least we didn't spend one of them. Since we now have a surplus of defensive linemen as well, maybe we can pick up an extra (if very low) pick in a trade.

Yes, but if we went into this season without adding any more DE's, we would be drafting one in the first 3 rounds in 2010 anyway. Add that to the fact that Jarmon had a great chance of being at least a 3rd round talent next year if he hadn't been ruled ineligible, and I'd say we did fine.

I'm an SEC guy, and Jarmon is a damn good player. All-conference in the SEC means you can ball.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.

While you are entitled to your opinion, I think that a 3rd rounder o-lineman next year would not automatically fix everything. Personally I think next year we need to pick an offensive tackle/guard in the first round, and sign a solid young free agent lineman. Furthermore, we need to see how the likes of Heyer, Rinehart, Jeremy Bridges, and Mike Williams are going to work out. Plus, I think between Scott Burley and Edwin Williams you are bound to find a diamond in the rough (since apparently Maryland is slowly becoming a good training ground for offensive lineman )

PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

While you are entitled to your opinion, I think that a 3rd rounder o-lineman next year would not automatically fix everything. Personally I think next year we need to pick an offensive tackle/guard in the first round, and sign a solid young free agent lineman. Furthermore, we need to see how the likes of Heyer, Rinehart, Jeremy Bridges, and Mike Williams are going to work out. Plus, I think between Scott Burley and Edwin Williams you are bound to find a diamond in the rough (since apparently Maryland is slowly becoming a good training ground for offensive lineman )

PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)

.... and this year hope our defense gives our o-lone a short field everytime!

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)

I really think because this one supplemental guy is a success story that we overpaid for this guy.

Also,
We have lost a bunch of value with this guy since he doesn't have any playbook knowledge at all....he has lost some significant rookie prep time and knowledge

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I really think because this one supplemental guy is a success story that we overpaid for this guy.

Also,
We have lost a bunch of value with this guy since he doesn't have any playbook knowledge at all....he has lost some significant rookie prep time and knowledge

Wasnt like he was going to start anyways. he can learn from Carter,Daniels and Wynn. Then he can work his way into the rotation.