Defense = Disappointment

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.

Well TV does not do a very good job of showing the field to see if our WRs are open or not and JC is just missing them. I know when I saw him live (it was 2 yrs ago against the G men) we had on 9 to 12 passing plays guys wide open that JC just missed. Not sure if thats still happening but it was so bad in that game my wife even commented on it.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

The defnese looked good at times yesterday. AH was a big plus for us against the Giants run and he did make plays. That fourth and short at the goaline for sure was due to the big guy up front. We got a fumble BC of a sack and also a pick from a nice play by Laron Landry. These guys held up there part of the bargain. They only gave up 16 points. So to me the defense doesn't equal dissapointment.

Now Zorn and his playcalling and Jason's continued struggles against the Giants. yes that equals a dissapointment.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

The defnese looked good at times yesterday. AH was a big plus for us against the Giants run and he did make plays. That fourth and short at the goaline for sure was due to the big guy up front. We got a fumble BC of a sack and also a pick from a nice play by Laron Landry. These guys held up there part of the bargain. They only gave up 16 points. So to me the defense doesn't equal dissapointment.

Now Zorn and his playcalling and Jason's continued struggles against the Giants. yes that equals a dissapointment.

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

London has been paid. AH was paid and he did his job. Yes if you pull up the fact that he only had 4 tackles it would seem from not watching the game that he didn't get it done, but I for one saw that his pressence in the middle of the line was beneficial for the Skins. I really don;t see any team running up the middle of this defense. He stopped Brandon Jacobs on 4th and inches on the 3 yard line. He was worth it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

One of those tackles prevented Jacobs from running into the endzone. I was against signing Haynesworth and he didn't have any sacks yesterday, but he earned his paycheck yesterday and there are 15 other games for him to get a better stat line.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

AH had a pretty good day imo. He's a interior lineman, he's not going to get sacks every day. He routinely blew up and pushed back their o line and their oline is pretty good. He made the 4 and 1 stop on the goal line and other big plays. So, let's not say he needs to step it up when he had a pretty good game.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

Do you think it's possible that some of that "lights out" play came because you had big AH eating up lots of space in the middle? I certainly do.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Do you think it's possible that some of that "lights out" play came because you had big AH eating up lots of space in the middle? I certainly do.

You took the words right out of my mouth TMC! Fletch is expected to make more tackiles with AH up front. Ask Ray Lewis how he felt about drafting Ngata.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

Jay Ratliff needs to step it up: only 2 tackles, O assists, O sacks, O forced fumbles.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Jay Ratliff needs to step it up: only 2 tackles, O assists, O sacks, O forced fumbles.

Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.

Just making a point that you can't quote a couple of stats and say someone's gotta step it up. Obviously, Ratliff isn't getting paid the money Haynesworth is.

If you want to start a thread about AH being worth 40 mill guaranteed, start one. That's another story. AH played pretty damn well yesterday. BTW...the Bucs aren't close to the NY Giants.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.

Comparing playing against Tampa Bay and The Giants is just ridiculous. Just saying...

[GTripp0012]

Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

If Campbell hasn't learned to move around in the pocket yet, he never will. Pocket awareness is pretty important. I also don't recall seeing Eli audible to a running play on 3rd and 8. When teams have taken away the run, Eli has proven plenty capable of shouldering the load (see game 2 against the Skins last year. We played the run and he carved us up with the pass). JC may improve one day, but he's not as good as Eli at this point.