Do you expect Zorn to be fired

[tryfuhl]

I'd say let Zorn finish out the year and figure what we have in our backups... but those two just don't go together

too many overpaid old guys killing out decent backups.. and a coach who needs to win

[skinsfan_nn]

Its in Mr. Gibbs part of the county and all, but Danny is getting his advise (From someone with a BRAIN)...COME ON BACK JOE!

Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night
Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 8:12 PM ET
Though it's surely not a precursor to another return to the sidelines in D.C., we're told that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs.

Per a league source, Snyder still consults with Gibbs, who retired for a second time after the 2007 season, about the team. And we've got a feeling that the two men at some point discussed the best way to navigate a disappointing season in D.C.

Some still believe that Snyder also consults with Mike Shanahan; a team source has flatly denied that contention. And as to lingering rumors that Shanahan will be the next coach of the team, Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night In America that Shanahan definitely will not taking a head-coaching job anywhere during the 2009 season, but that Shanahan will jump back into the fray in January.

It makes plenty of sense. Shanahan has less leverage if only one team wants him; he'll have plenty of leverage come January, if multiple teams come calling.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Its in Mr. Gibbs part of the county and all, but Danny is getting his advise (From someone with a BRAIN)...COME ON BACK JOE!

Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night
Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 8:12 PM ET
Though it's surely not a precursor to another return to the sidelines in D.C., we're told that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs.

Per a league source, Snyder still consults with Gibbs, who retired for a second time after the 2007 season, about the team. And we've got a feeling that the two men at some point discussed the best way to navigate a disappointing season in D.C.

Some still believe that Snyder also consults with Mike Shanahan; a team source has flatly denied that contention. And as to lingering rumors that Shanahan will be the next coach of the team, Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night In America that Shanahan definitely will not taking a head-coaching job anywhere during the 2009 season, but that Shanahan will jump back into the fray in January.

It makes plenty of sense. Shanahan has less leverage if only one team wants him; he'll have plenty of leverage come January, if multiple teams come calling.

hell no

i love gibbs but he in charge of personnel traded more picks than vinny and whatnot

idk

i don't even know what to think now

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

hell no

i love gibbs but he in charge of personnel traded more picks than vinny and whatnot

idk

i don't even know what to think now

Gibbs isn't the man, he had his second shot did the best he could with it and ended it on a sour note. Gibbs is a great coach and a class act all the way, but he won during his first stint with the best owner and best FO in the business backing him up, not to mention he was in pre cap and FA eras. Coach Gibbs wasn't a Bobby Beathred!!!! Simply put, Gibbs didn't have the positive atmosphere here the second time around to work his magic. Gibbs probably could come back to another team with a good FO and do some damage, but not here. At least he got to the playoffs with this dysfunctional FO. Just imagine what it could of been like with a FO that knew what it was doing?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Gibbs isn't the man, he had his second shot did the best he could with it and ended it on a sour note. Gibbs is a great coach and a class act all the way, but he won during his first stint with the best owner and best FO in the business backing him up, not to mention he was in pre cap and FA eras. Coach Gibbs wasn't a Bobby Beathred!!!! Simply put, Gibbs didn't have the positive atmosphere here the second time around to work his magic. Gibbs probably could come back to another team with a good FO and do some damage, but not here. At least he got to the playoffs with this dysfunctional FO. Just imagine what it could of been like with a FO that knew what it was doing?

I don't know, I see him in more of a supervisory role.. and I hate to say it, but without ST's murder we prob don't make the 2nd playoffs because we didn't have the spirit.. I'd train every playoff game since our SB to get ST back, not that it's been many.

I think that he needs to keep his focus on his NASCAR team, seemed like he would come back around after that season ended. The guy was a notoriously long day worker just with the Skins, then he was leading his racing team too, I'd be very inclined to believe that he was a bit distracted by that.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Its in Mr. Gibbs part of the county and all, but Danny is getting his advise (From someone with a BRAIN)...COME ON BACK JOE!

Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night
Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 8:12 PM ET
Though it's surely not a precursor to another return to the sidelines in D.C., we're told that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs.

Per a league source, Snyder still consults with Gibbs, who retired for a second time after the 2007 season, about the team. And we've got a feeling that the two men at some point discussed the best way to navigate a disappointing season in D.C.

Some still believe that Snyder also consults with Mike Shanahan; a team source has flatly denied that contention. And as to lingering rumors that Shanahan will be the next coach of the team, Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night In America that Shanahan definitely will not taking a head-coaching job anywhere during the 2009 season, but that Shanahan will jump back into the fray in January.

It makes plenty of sense. Shanahan has less leverage if only one team wants him; he'll have plenty of leverage come January, if multiple teams come calling.

Is it just me that thinks that Shanahan's style of play ain't cut out for the NFC East? And he only won with Elway as his QB and Terrel Davis as his RB. Otherwise, his teams didn't do all that, which is why he eventually got fired. And we all know what we get from peeps after they have won the Dan Snyder Mega-Million Jackpot.


On an unrelated note - Manning to some white dude wearing #17 for a 40 yard TD. Play Action pass, one thousand one, one thousand two... pass, catch, TD. No separation needed... zone coverage. Just a good QB who knows where he's going with the ball before the snap, and a no-name receiver who can catch a well thrown football and take 5 steps without falling down or fumbling the ball. Piece of cake.

[duetsch215]

Adam Schefter reports that Zorn WILL be fired mid-season and the only question is when.

[ForkLifter]

Originally Posted by duetsch215

Adam Schefter reports that Zorn WILL be fired mid-season and the only question is when.

Do you have a link to the story?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by ForkLifter

Do you have a link to the story?

No real link to post, he was asked on ESPN about the situation in DC, and he basically said it's not if Zorn will be cut loose, it's when.

[SFREDSKIN]

When the front office doesn't provide you with the right resources, then you are setting your HC to fail. Case in point, Vinny forgot that we have holes on our OL and goes on a shopping spree for an expensive DL and DB when he could have gotten help on the OL.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When the front office doesn't provide you with the right resources, then you are setting your HC to fail. Case in point, Vinny forgot that we have holes on our OL and goes on a shopping spree for an expensive DL and DB when he could have gotten help on the OL.

I made the same point in an earlier thread last week. Someone responded, much to my amazement by saying "resources" or not, it Zorn's responsibility to get the job done. I'm still having a hard time trying to figure that one. Zorn SHOULD be able to make bricks out of straw..........or else.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When the front office doesn't provide you with the right resources, then you are setting your HC to fail. Case in point, Vinny forgot that we have holes on our OL and goes on a shopping spree for an expensive DL and DB when he could have gotten help on the OL.

I agree with that, but Zorn still seems overmatched as a playcaller and game manager. I think if given an opportunity with the right organizational structure and less on his plate (i.e. not having 3 job titles), he could succeed. Sadly, in his mid-50s, this was probably his only shot at being a HC in this league.

[GusFrerotte]

Brian Mitchell for interim HC? Shoot, at this point why not if they are going to fire Zorn midseason. They fired Norv midseason and his offense wasn't as bad as this one is.

[44Deezel]

Whether you think Zorn deserves to be fired or not, his performance warrants it. He is the HEAD coach, and therefore he is ultimately responsible and accountable for the performance of the team. He gets paid for RESULTS and not for anything else. It doesn't matter how much his players like him or how nice he is. Outside of some surprise wins early in his tenure when the rest of the league was feeling him out, the team has gotten progressively worse, and is now one of the most inept Offenses in the League. AND he was hired specifically to improve an Offense that was widely considered to be the weakest part of the team.

The long term issues with the Redskins may go way beyond the Head Coach, but Zorn clearly is not good at his job and should be (and will be) fired. This season is shot. It's time to start preparing for next season and beyond.

[skinsfan0201]

And was it not the Danny and Cerrato who claimed that Zorn blew them away in the interview and not only shunned Greg William because he did not get along with Vinnie, but the gave him the pink slip.

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Whether you think Zorn deserves to be fired or not, his performance warrants it. He is the HEAD coach, and therefore he is ultimately responsible and accountable for the performance of the team. He gets paid for RESULTS and not for anything else. It doesn't matter how much his players like him or how nice he is. Outside of some surprise wins early in his tenure when the rest of the league was feeling him out, the team has gotten progressively worse, and is now one of the most inept Offenses in the League. AND he was hired specifically to improve an Offense that was widely considered to be the weakest part of the team.

The long term issues with the Redskins may go way beyond the Head Coach, but Zorn clearly is not good at his job and should be (and will be) fired. This season is shot. It's time to start preparing for next season and beyond.