Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

2. Go look at the replays of the final minutes of regulation time yesterday. After Haynesworth left the field with an injury, he was back in the game on the Saints' final drive. Either he was so injured that he should not have been on the field or he just didn't feel like trying at the end of the game. Watch him - - not the ball - - when you see the replays. He was walking toward the QB and barely made contact with the OL. What's up with that??? :confused:

I did watch him a few times yesterday, and on more than one occasion, he took a play off as you describe. And this was before his "injury" in the 4th quarter. It's blatantly obvious he takes plays off. When Golston went down, he went to one knee immediately to the point where one of the trainers was huddled around him and stayed there until Golston was off the field. However, it's a catch-22 since when he's in there, he draws doubles and triples which have allowed the rest of the D line the ability to rush.

I'm really not 100% sure what to think of it. Obviously I would want him on point 100% of the time, but at the same time, his disruptive nature is also blatantly obvious (Without AH, the rush defense against the Cowboys: 153 yards, 0 TDs; against the Eagles: 123 yards, 1 TD; against the Saints with AH: 55 yards, 0 TDs). The Saints may have a great pass offense, but their rush offense ranks 5th in the NFL (and that includes yesterday's horrific showing).

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Bozzy:

He was not the first guy to touch the ball. The Skins player who was hit by the punt touched it first after the Saints' player had re-established himself on the field of play.


BTW, on the replay, there should have been a flag on one of the Skins for blocking that Saints' player while he was still out of bounds. Flag never came out...

Yep, that was actually Barnes. I was pretty surprised that there was no flag, there definitely could have been.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb.

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today). Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him). Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that. But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way...not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

Laron Landry For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome.

The Officiating I'd rather they just be consistent

Shaun Suisham Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss.

#1- Yes I was torn as to which to root for, a win against a team 11-0 and against GW or a loss to help facilitate Cerrato's demise. The last two weeks scoring over 20 points does not help and todays 30 points especially.

#2- 3yrs with Gibbs 2yrs with Zorn, a total lack of developing any WR's, the mear fact that the only decent WR's we've had have been WR's brought in from other teams. Basically all you've done is make me wonder if someone else is not working with the WR's. It almost seems like they are making a concerted effort to coach Thomas, Kelly, and Davis finally cause the others are either hurt or you don't hear a lot from them from game to game. Oh, and I guess I can give Cerrato props for something, but I still hope his ass is gone at season's end.

#3- It's very exciting to see all the young talent coming to life, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Ganther, Barnes, Mitchell, Westbrook, etc, etc.


Amazing....everyone is quick to blast Suisham, the Refs, and Landry but for whatever reason simply over look Sellers and his fumble/no fumble, JC's interception, Moore's failure to simply sit on the ball, Zorn's piss poor goal line play calls and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting. Lets not just blast Shazam. No he's not perfect but if your going to blast him for missing 1 FG out of the many he made today is sad. That's like calling for JC's head for the interception even though he's had a great game otherwise.

[The Goat]

Nice thread!

That said it's telling (perversely so) when a loss somehow becomes a boost to Cerrato's reputation. WTF! And please, please don't say things like that weird little toady should be credited w/ the Orakpo pickup. Vinny did everything he could to get the joke Sanchez, and then he tried to mortgage the future yet a 2nd time (allegedly) to trade up for Orakpo instead of focusing on an oline that most experts and fans knew was a house of cards. I mean it's just gotten to a point of craziness...it's like the craziness within the organization rubs off on us fans too.

...whoever came up w/ the idea of Hall at FS might be a genius. I hope Barnes, Tryon, Westbrook and maybe Los could hold down our DB corp so Hall gets a shot at center field.

[SmootSmack]

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

VC tried all he could to get Cutler. Allegedly, giving up several high draft picks, right?

VC tried all he could to get Sanchez, giving up multiple draft picks. He couldn't get him.

We were one of the finalists in getting each of the above two. If we would have gotten one of the them, it would have perhaps mortgaged our future even more. More of the same right?

I give VC credit for his record w/ the Skins while he's been here. It's not good. Sure, he gets some credit for some draft picks, but let's face it, Orakpo was a pretty clear pick and even though we've seen some good things the jury is still out of our 3 #2's from two years ago.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redsk1

VC tried all he could to get Cutler. Allegedly, giving up several high draft picks, right?

VC tried all he could to get Sanchez, giving up multiple draft picks. He couldn't get him.

We were one of the finalists in getting each of the above two. If we would have gotten one of the them, it would have perhaps mortgaged our future even more. More of the same right?

I give VC credit for his record w/ the Skins while he's been here. It's not good. Sure, he gets some credit for some draft picks, but let's face it, Orakpo was a pretty clear pick and even though we've seen some good things the jury is still out of our 3 #2's from two years ago.

If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.

I think Cutler can be a great qb and Sanchez may too. I just think they were more than "testing the market" though. We almost had Cutler here in DC. It was that close.

VC has done more harm than good though and I can't see how that can be disputed. He's got a bad record, he's got a bad reputation around the league, and he's makes alot of bad decisions. I'm not saying we should just change just to make a change. We should change b/c we want more out of our GM.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I think Cutler can be a great qb and Sanchez may too. I just think they were more than "testing the market" though. We almost had Cutler here in DC. It was that close.

VC has done more harm than good though and I can't see how that can be disputed. He's got a bad record, he's got a bad reputation around the league, and he's makes alot of bad decisions. I'm not saying we should just change just to make a change. We should change b/c we want more out of our GM.

I could see it working out something like this

Snyder: I want this Cutler kid
Cerrato: How badly?
Snyder: VERY
Cerrato: So I guess that I should get on the phones
Snyder: Well then get to that
Cerrato: At what cost?
Snyder: What do you think?
Cerrato: Dan, if you want him I'll try, but we can only give up so much
Snyder: How much is that?
Cerrato: Something short of 2 1st rounders
Snyder: Well, see what you can do

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

This offense has been built from the outside in. The lack of foresight on the O-line is what I give VC credit for, that and hiring Jim Zorn. Actually, I blame him and DS for a lot. It's a little late to be giving credit to his draft picks when you're 3-9.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

Agreed but the draft definitely isn't the total picture. Though I'll say the past couple of years has looked better than the 8 before it.. and that's seemingly when Cerrato had the most control. Our young guys are starting to look pretty decent no doubt. Ignoring the line is still a huge issue though, both of them had been, be we've mostly got the D-Line thing figured out. Hopefully we don't wait too long on the LBs and secondary as these will need filling in the not so distant future.

[bigmarley4]

I'd give a mini smack down on some obnoxious bandwagon Saints fans at the game. I've never seen any group of fans with such crisp, bright brand new jerseys and hats that looked like they just came out of the box. I'd didn't see a single old-school jersey the entire day. Most were DC area people who would have been cheering for Skins last year...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

I'd give a mini smack down on some obnoxious bandwagon Saints fans at the game. I've never seen any group of fans with such crisp, bright brand new jerseys and hats that looked like they just came out of the box. I'd didn't see a single old-school jersey the entire day. Most were DC area people who would have been cheering for Skins last year...

My dad and younger brother were there and they said the same thing. SO annoying.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

I'd give a mini smack down on some obnoxious bandwagon Saints fans at the game. I've never seen any group of fans with such crisp, bright brand new jerseys and hats that looked like they just came out of the box. I'd didn't see a single old-school jersey the entire day. Most were DC area people who would have been cheering for Skins last year...

I was at the game as well, and did see a large number of Saints "fans". My favorite was the Archie Manning jersey I saw on a woman no older than 20. The lettering of Manning was oversized and looked awful, and I can't find it on the Intrawebs to show (I saw a similar Shockey jersey). But everything did look fresh, clean and straight out of the wrapper. The cackles of Who Dat was pretty annoying as well. To each their own. My wife and I had a great time, save from the loss, or at least the way we lost.

On to the smackdowns. While I'm not going to pin the loss 100% on Suisham, he has to make that kick. Period. High snap or not, bad hold or not, it's a 23 yard kick. It's a chip shot, essentially an extra point. Suisham has now missed 3 gut check kicks down the stretch that have absolutely murdered any momentum the team had. I've been a supporter of him since he got to DC, but I can no longer support him. Might as well give someone else a chance from here on out. At worst, it's a warm body and you can go in a different direction at year's end. At best, you have someone you can go into next year with.

Out of the 4 reviews that they did yesterday, 1 of them finished in less than 90 seconds, which is what I thought was the time limit. Then again, the booth was on the field in front of me (I was in Section 203) so I'm not sure how much lollygagging the referee was doing. Just seemed like forever...almost seemed to me that they were trying to keep the Saints record perfect. But that's a conspiracy theory for another time.

The video screens at FedEx need to be replaced. The review that stood with Meachem (I think) on the sidelines looked like his 2nd foot never got dragged before being out of bounds, so the entire stadium was shocked when it didn't get overturned. Snyder has the money, put some damn new boards in.

Other than that, the Skins played a pretty solid game yesterday, and aside from the flukes, they outplayed the Saints, so bravo to them. However, bad teams find ways to lose, and they certainly did that yesterday.

Oh, one more thing. Landry is awful. The Skins need to find a free safety to replace him and either put him back to strong safety or bulk him up to play linebacker.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

I was at the game as well, and did see a large number of Saints "fans". My favorite was the Archie Manning jersey I saw on a woman no older than 20. The lettering of Manning was oversized and looked awful, and I can't find it on the Intrawebs to show (I saw a similar Shockey jersey). But everything did look fresh, clean and straight out of the wrapper. The cackles of Who Dat was pretty annoying as well. To each their own. My wife and I had a great time, save from the loss, or at least the way we lost.

On to the smackdowns. While I'm not going to pin the loss 100% on Suisham, he has to make that kick. Period. High snap or not, bad hold or not, it's a 23 yard kick. It's a chip shot, essentially an extra point. Suisham has now missed 3 gut check kicks down the stretch that have absolutely murdered any momentum the team had. I've been a supporter of him since he got to DC, but I can no longer support him. Might as well give someone else a chance from here on out. At worst, it's a warm body and you can go in a different direction at year's end. At best, you have someone you can go into next year with.

Out of the 4 reviews that they did yesterday, 1 of them finished in less than 90 seconds, which is what I thought was the time limit. Then again, the booth was on the field in front of me (I was in Section 203) so I'm not sure how much lollygagging the referee was doing. Just seemed like forever...almost seemed to me that they were trying to keep the Saints record perfect. But that's a conspiracy theory for another time.

The video screens at FedEx need to be replaced. The review that stood with Meachem (I think) on the sidelines looked like his 2nd foot never got dragged before being out of bounds, so the entire stadium was shocked when it didn't get overturned. Snyder has the money, put some damn new boards in.

Other than that, the Skins played a pretty solid game yesterday, and aside from the flukes, they outplayed the Saints, so bravo to them. However, bad teams find ways to lose, and they certainly did that yesterday.

Oh, one more thing. Landry is awful. The Skins need to find a free safety to replace him and either put him back to strong safety or bulk him up to play linebacker.

Seeing it on TV it was crystal clear that he dragged his foot, I thought the crowd reaction was really odd, guess that explains it.