Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article)

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Thomas has had one or two good games and one of them was against a team that was pulling cb's off the street. Let's not overvalue the guys on this team yet just cause they're Redskins. Right now the only true keeper is probably Orakpo. The rest of them the verdict is still out.

Yea just the New England Patriots and Brady about the c/b they pulled off the streets.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Thomas has had one or two good games and one of them was against a team that was pulling cb's off the street. Let's not overvalue the guys on this team yet just cause they're Redskins. Right now the only true keeper is probably Orakpo. The rest of them the verdict is still out.

those cb's off of the street shut down tom brady

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

those cb's off of the street shut down tom brady

well i think the pass rush had more to do with that. but not taking anything away from dt, he had a real nice game. now i want to see him do it again.

[mlmdub130]

desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy

Who's the best personnel guy in the NFL?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who's the best personnel guy in the NFL?

Probably Ozzie Newsome. The guy has put together a competitive team with coordinators constantly getting HC positions and his scouts getting promoted to GM spots but the one constant in that organization is Ozzie. On top of that he helped put together a team that won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Basically a decade of success without a franchise QB, well until they got Flaco.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Probably Ozzie Newsome. The guy has put together a competitive team with coordinators constantly getting HC positions and his scouts getting promoted to GM spots but the one constant in that organization is Ozzie. On top of that he helped put together a team that won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Basically a decade of success without a franchise QB, well until they got Flaco.

something like 18 of their 22 starters were drafted by the ravens. thats impressive.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who's the best personnel guy in the NFL?

I can list guys that have done a good job recently. Much better than the 9 to 10 years Vinny and Snyder have been at it:

1) GM Chris Polian Colts. Nuff said

2) GM Mickey Loomis New Orleans Saints. Great acquisitions like S Sharper, LB Vilma, TE Shockey. The Saints have struck gold in recent seasons in the NFL Draft with late-round finds such as G Jahri Evans, WR Marques Colston and G Carl Nicks. He was awarded the NFL executive of the year for 2007.

3) GM Jeff Ireland and Team President Bill Parcells; righted the ship in Miami very quickly. From NFL worst 1-15 record in 2007 to 11-5 in 2008. They are currently 6-6 but they are only one game behind first place NE.

4) GM Jerry Reese NY Giants : In one draft (2007 draft) he drafted Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Michael Johnson, Ahmad Bradshaw and Zak DeOssie. All of them contributed greatly to the Giants' Super Bowl XLII victory. Vinny can not draft like that.

5) Ozzie Newsome - Bmore Ravens. Nuff said.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy

You can go back through every draft and look at players that EVERY team wish they had drafted. Do you blame 31 teams for passing on Brady 5-6 times? Jackson is great, but we already had enough small WRs. We needed bigs ones. Ray Rice??? why on earth would we have drafted a RB. I was disappointed that we didnt get any loffensive inemen, but if you look at the draft, there really wasnt anyone worth taking in the 2nd round between the slots we drafted. Also, 1st and 2nd round Olinemen can generally start immediately, whereas it takes receivers 2-3 years to develop. When you look at things from a multi-year perspective, it makes the most sense to draft the receivers 1st and linemen 2nd.

If the team is abiding by any sort of long-term strategy that is consistent with what we've done the past two years, they'll hire a WCO coach, resign Levi Jones, and add one starting-caliber offensive linemen through FA or the draft and 1-2 backup, developmental linemen in the draft.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You can go back through every draft and look at players that EVERY team wish they had drafted. Do you blame 31 teams for passing on Brady 5-6 times? Jackson is great, but we already had enough small WRs. We needed bigs ones. Ray Rice??? why on earth would we have drafted a RB. I was disappointed that we didnt get any loffensive inemen, but if you look at the draft, there really wasnt anyone worth taking in the 2nd round between the slots we drafted. Also, 1st and 2nd round Olinemen can generally start immediately, whereas it takes receivers 2-3 years to develop. When you look at things from a multi-year perspective, it makes the most sense to draft the receivers 1st and linemen 2nd.

If the team is abiding by any sort of long-term strategy that is consistent with what we've done the past two years, they'll hire a WCO coach, resign Levi Jones, and add one starting-caliber offensive linemen through FA or the draft and 1-2 backup, developmental linemen in the draft.

because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them, not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them, not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth

CP was 26 when Ray Rice was drafted

So we're not grooming guys like Thomas, Kelly, Tryon, Barnes, Jarmon for when guys like Moss, El, Thrash, Smoot, Springs, Rogers, Daniels get hurt or go down?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

CP was 26 when Ray Rice was drafted

So we're not grooming guys like Thomas, Kelly, Tryon, Barnes, Jarmon for when guys like Moss, El, Thrash, Smoot, Springs, Rogers, Daniels get hurt or go down?

what like 26 and 3/4's he is 28 now right, i'm just saying

we are we just took our sweet ass time to get around to doing it and i think that o line should have been the first focus since we were oldest there, it's just a shame it took them this long to realize we needed younger guys, and i don't understand why you wouldn't try to get youth at your oldest position first, which also happens to be the most important position in football imo at o line

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them, not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth

gotta say, this year seems like a knock against the bolded part. We have had 11 guys go on IR, including 3 ProBowlers, and our rookies and 2nd year guys have been coming in and filling the slack very well. Which is what I would call grooming them so they can come in as needed. Obviously, you don't like Vinny, most on this board would like to see him gone, but I think BHA has made a fair case that IF!!!! the strategy was to take care of the skill positions that need time to develop first, and come back and get the more "generic" positions later, then this next draft would be a key to proving that.

Fans tend to forget the previous years rants and raves and look through "grass is greener" type glasses. For example, last year we were screaming both lines needed fixing, before that we screamed for tall WR's and both Lines. Now we are screaming mainly for OL, maybe LBs. You cannot fill every need in a team immediately, and for every solid pick that was a better choice than the Skins made, I am pretty sure you could find a pick or two that were obviously worse.

With all that said, the OL has to be a priority this year, and hedged UFA's and out of work 1st rounders won't cut it. We need to pick up 2 maybe 3 solid OL players early in the draft, and get them out on the field, assuming they aren't busts. It amazes me that on this boards dream draft there are anything other than OL listed, and further that for all the screaming about consistency and patience, people want to blow it all up. (note i am sure I have fallen trap to that emotion some of my posts, but really BHA's analysis, and the play of the team the last few weeks, show that there is a firm foundation here, and we need to be VERY careful what we scream for, cuz we might just get it)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good