Haynesworth Appreciation Thread

[skinsfan69]

You need your highest paid guys to be leaders. And when you have your highest paid guys showing up out of shape, taking plays off, constantly getting hurt, jumping off sides, missing games then I've got a problem with that. If he's so hurt then why was his ass down at the Wizards game walking around w/ out a cast? Then you miss the next few games? Tenn knew the deal and that's why they felt he wasn't worth the $. What about the guy on the Rams who said he takes plays off? I'm not saying AH doesn't have heart but BE A PROFESSIONAL. That means be in shape and be a leader and play your ass off. Sorry but I just don't see it. You know who is worth the $ he's being paid? Demarcus Ware. He's what I call a pro. You know who else? The two Williams guys on Minn.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You need your highest paid guys to be leaders. And when you have your highest paid guys showing up out of shape, taking plays off, constantly getting hurt, jumping off sides, missing games then I've got a problem with that. If he's so hurt then why was his ass down at the Wizards game walking around w/ out a cast? Then you miss the next few games? Tenn knew the deal and that's why they felt he wasn't worth the $. What about the guy on the Rams who said he takes plays off? I'm not saying AH doesn't have heart but BE A PROFESSIONAL. That means be in shape and be a leader and play your ass off. Sorry but I just don't see it. You know who is worth the $ he's being paid? Demarcus Ware. He's what I call a pro. You know who else? The two Williams guys on Minn.

Skinsfan69:

I did not want the Redskins to sign Haynesworth to a monster contract. Haynesworth had a history of running into trouble both on the field and off the field. Moreover, he had trouble staying healthy in Tennessee and some people observed that he took a play off every now and again. So, I wasn't particularly thrilled when the Redskins signed him to a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal.

However, I'm not going to pretend that Haynesworth is a bum. He is a dominant force on the interior of the line, something we haven't had since Cornelius Griffin's monster 2004 season. He's managed to rack up 4 sacks and numerous quarterback pressures and tackles for a loss in 11 games, despite being drawing double teams on a routine basis. Haynesworth has also showed effort, intensity, and fire on the field despite receiving a contract which sets him up for life and playing on a really bad team.

Do I think he's worth $12 million per year? Nope, but his deal wasn't totally out of line with the market. Rumor has it that Tampa offered more to Haynesworth than Washington and Baltimore is paying Terrell Suggs the same amount of money for arguably a less productive player. I think that Haynesworth is one of our most talented and most productive players and I'm not going to blame him because the Redskins probably overpaid him by $1-2 million per season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Skinsfan69:

I did not want the Redskins to sign Haynesworth to a monster contract. Haynesworth had a history of running into trouble both on the field and off the field. Moreover, he had trouble staying healthy in Tennessee and some people observed that he took a play off every now and again. So, I wasn't particularly thrilled when the Redskins signed him to a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal.

However, I'm not going to pretend that Haynesworth is a bum. He is a dominant force on the interior of the line, something we haven't had since Cornelius Griffin's monster 2004 season. He's managed to rack up 4 sacks and numerous quarterback pressures and tackles for a loss in 11 games, despite being drawing double teams on a routine basis. Haynesworth has also showed effort, intensity, and fire on the field despite receiving a contract which sets him up for life and playing on a really bad team.

Do I think he's worth $12 million per year? Nope, but his deal wasn't totally out of line with the market. Rumor has it that Tampa offered more to Haynesworth than Washington and Baltimore is paying Terrell Suggs the same amount of money for arguably a less productive player. I think that Haynesworth is one of our most talented and most productive players and I'm not going to blame him because the Redskins probably overpaid him by $1-2 million per season.

He could be if Blache used him as he was used in Tenn.

To me it's disappointing to hear AH say that he feels Blache isn't letting him attack. I thought back in August Blache was talking of how he was going to change his philosophy in how he used his DT's. Guess not.

"It's very frustrating coming from Tennessee, going 10-0 … [where] I kinda had the freedom to rush and get upfield and to pressure the quarterback," Haynesworth said. "It's totally different than what I thought here. If they'd let us loose, it'd be a whole lot better. [At Tennessee] I just rushed and they let me go and we won a bunch of games and we was up there in the top two or three on defense and sacks. [Titans defensive coordinator Jim] Schwartz got a head coaching job from it. Maybe we need to try that here."

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He could be if Blache used him as he was used in Tenn.

To me it's disappointing to hear AH say that he feels Blache isn't letting him attack. I thought back in August Blache was talking of how he was going to change his philosophy in how he used his DT's. Guess not.

like i said before it's the same story from another pro bowler. jason taylor said the same exact thing last year, blache is a huge problem with our d right now, he gets guys that are great at one thing and then says why don't you try doing it a different way here

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

like i said before it's the same story from another pro bowler. jason taylor said the same exact thing last year, blache is a huge problem with our d right now, he gets guys that are great at one thing and then says why don't you try doing it a different way here

I like Blache but he will not conform his scheme to fit the strength of his personnel. Jason Taylor for sum odd reason is having a very good season in Miami , maybe they can give Blache a few tips.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He could be if Blache used him as he was used in Tenn.

To me it's disappointing to hear AH say that he feels Blache isn't letting him attack. I thought back in August Blache was talking of how he was going to change his philosophy in how he used his DT's. Guess not.

Ditto. I hope that next year Blache is gone and the new guy will free AH and put Orakpo's hand on the ground.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Skinsfan69:

I did not want the Redskins to sign Haynesworth to a monster contract. Haynesworth had a history of running into trouble both on the field and off the field. Moreover, he had trouble staying healthy in Tennessee and some people observed that he took a play off every now and again. So, I wasn't particularly thrilled when the Redskins signed him to a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal.

However, I'm not going to pretend that Haynesworth is a bum. He is a dominant force on the interior of the line, something we haven't had since Cornelius Griffin's monster 2004 season. He's managed to rack up 4 sacks and numerous quarterback pressures and tackles for a loss in 11 games, despite being drawing double teams on a routine basis. Haynesworth has also showed effort, intensity, and fire on the field despite receiving a contract which sets him up for life and playing on a really bad team.

Do I think he's worth $12 million per year? Nope, but his deal wasn't totally out of line with the market. Rumor has it that Tampa offered more to Haynesworth than Washington and Baltimore is paying Terrell Suggs the same amount of money for arguably a less productive player. I think that Haynesworth is one of our most talented and most productive players and I'm not going to blame him because the Redskins probably overpaid him by $1-2 million per season.

I'm not blaming him or mad at him for taking the $. Get all you can get and I applaud him for that. But with that comes responsibility. And when I see him showing up to camp out of shape and then taking numerous plays off, constantly on the ground w/ injuries, then question the leadership of the team then that isn't living up to the standard of your contract. How about AH take the lead and start being a leader? This offseason I want him to be a leader. That means coming to all the off season stuff and setting an example. I'm done with him this season cause it's in the toilet. I wonder what guys like Charles Mann and Art Monk think about Big Al.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not blaming him or mad at him for taking the $. Get all you can get and I applaud him for that. But with that comes responsibility. And when I see him showing up to camp out of shape and then taking numerous plays off, constantly on the ground w/ injuries, then question the leadership of the team then that isn't living up to the standard of your contract. How about AH take the lead and start being a leader? This offseason I want him to be a leader. That means coming to all the off season stuff and setting an example. I'm done with him this season cause it's in the toilet. I wonder what guys like Charles Mann and Art Monk think about Big Al.

As far as I know he was here all last offseason and didn't skip anything.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You need your highest paid guys to be leaders. And when you have your highest paid guys showing up out of shape, taking plays off, constantly getting hurt, jumping off sides, missing games then I've got a problem with that. If he's so hurt then why was his ass down at the Wizards game walking around w/ out a cast? Then you miss the next few games? Tenn knew the deal and that's why they felt he wasn't worth the $. What about the guy on the Rams who said he takes plays off? I'm not saying AH doesn't have heart but BE A PROFESSIONAL. That means be in shape and be a leader and play your ass off. Sorry but I just don't see it. You know who is worth the $ he's being paid? Demarcus Ware. He's what I call a pro. You know who else? The two Williams guys on Minn.

Please go back to ES if you want to just spout off ridiculous stuff.

[redsk1]

I too like what I've seen from AH. Him not playing 100% of the plays doesn't bother me in the least. Who does? We've got capable, good backups too.

I do want AH to become the leader of the defense though. He's being paid to be that. If it's broke, he needs to start the solution. He needs to stand up and say he's here for the long haul, and he's going to do his best to get it fixed. I don't want to hear any second thoughts about coming to DC. He didn't say anything that bothers me, i'm just reading b/n the lines a little. Whatever happens, he needs to be Mr. Redskin, positive, and the face of this defense.

[firstdown]

Its kind of hard to appreciate any player at this point in the season.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its kind of hard to appreciate any player at this point in the season.

very true. however, when there's so much to not appreciate about this team, i'm happy we have a few bright spots (haynesworth, orakpo, fletcher, and fred davis) are about all i can name. perhaps campbell if we forget a couple of unforgivable interceptions.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

very true. however, when there's so much to not appreciate about this team, i'm happy we have a few bright spots (haynesworth, orakpo, fletcher, and fred davis) are about all i can name. perhaps campbell if we forget a couple of unforgivable interceptions.

you forgot thomas, i hope

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

you forgot thomas, i hope

i've cooled on him a bit. i'm still somewhat pleased with his performance, as I am to some degree with Levi Jones, Rocky McIntosh, DeAngelo Hall and Justin Tryon... they've all had moments where they shined, but not as consistently as the others i mentioned.

The roster needs to undergo some major changes over the next 2-3 years, but we do have some talent to build around.

[GTripp0012]

But ultimately, we're now the second ranked pass rush in Adjusted Sack Rate. Only Miami is ahead of us. Regardless of the effect than Haynesworth is having on Orakpo and Carter, the three of them (plus Alexander and Chris Wilson as well) are getting it done.