Campbell will compete with a rookie next yr.

[Dirtbag59]

For what it's worth Jay Cutler started five games during his rookie year, though I must admit I don't know the circumstances surrounding those starts.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

For what it's worth Jay Cutler started five games during his rookie year, though I must admit I don't know the circumstances surrounding those starts.

The Broncos were in the lead in a playoff race and then the team collapsed and lost three December games to miss the postseason.

Or was that 07?

Or 08?

Or 09?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Broncos were in the lead in a playoff race and then the team collapsed and lost three December games to miss the postseason.

Or was that 07?

Or 08?

Or 09?

Dude don't scare me like that. Ironically that bad year for them matched our second best year this decade (9-7). I guess this little blurb will give some insight. Apparently the Bronoc's missed the playoffs that year because they lost to San Fran in overtime. The Bronco's were 7-4 when the switch was made so don't think Shanahan won't pull Campbell.

Week 12: Denver 10 Kansas City 19

Denver might have made a switch at the QB position, but at the end of the day, the results were very similar. Rookie QB Jay Cutler (right) struggled mightily in his first start. Plummer had his own struggles, too, but the difference was that the majority of his bad starts included a victory. Behind the scenes, the Denver coaching staff was telling anyone who would listen about how much the QB change would help. They were talking about how they would now be able to open up their offense. In Cutler's defense, it was the first start of his career, but the offense looked just about the same. Denver was able to run the ball and struggled to throw it, which is the same problem they have been fighting all season. This was a real nice win for Seattle. Despite still having some struggles on the defensive side of the ball, they were able to force five turnovers and add a defensive TD. That was difference for Seattle in this football game.

The next week: Chargers 48 Denver 20

But Cutler, looking more poised than in his debut a week earlier, threw touchdown passes of 28 and 11 yards to rookie tight end Tony Scheffler in a span of 48 seconds in the third quarter. The second TD came three plays after Chargers rookie Antonio Cromartie fumbled on a kickoff return after being hit by Patrick Chukwurah, with Denver's Louis Green recovering at the San Diego 27.

After that: Denver 37 Arizona 20

The big story coming into this game was the battle of rookie QBs Jay Cutler (right) and Matt Leinart. Leinart had been playing better, but it was Cutler who got the job done on this day.
Coach Mike Shanahan has done a good job of trimming down the offense in the past two weeks and that has made Cutler's job a lot easier. He is quicker with his reads and making better decisions with the ball.

The other big factor in this game was the play of the Denver defense. The unit had become very vanilla in recent weeks, but defensive coordinator Larry Coyer did a good job of mixing his blitz packages and coverages in the back end to confuse Leinart and ground the Arizona offense.

Week 16: Denver 24 Cincinatti 23

Jay Cutler, the kid from Santa Claus, Ind., delivered for Denver on Christmas Eve, becoming the first NFL quarterback to throw for multiple touchdowns in each of his first four games.

Week 17: Denver 23 San Fran 26 OT

The Broncos sent the game into overtime when Cutler, who was knocked woozy and sidelined by a hard hit in the first half, drove his team 80 yards in 10 plays and threw a fastball to fellow rookie Tony Scheffler for a 9-yard TD with 90 seconds left in regulation.

"I was a little dinged up. My head was swimming a little bit," Cutler said. "But I was fine in the second half."

After Champ Bailey returned his league-leading 10th interception 70 yards for a touchdown and a 13-0 lead, the Niners responded with 17 straight points, capped by Walt Harris's 28-yard interception return for a touchdown.
Harris, who had three takeaways, also picked off Jake Plummer, who came in after Anthony Adams' hard hit sent Cutler to the sideline in the second quarter. Plummer, who was benched five weeks ago, also committed a false start.

Cutler looked woozy upon his return after halftime and made several bad decisions and poor throws and even burned all of Denver's three timeouts on one third-quarter drive.

I also like this quote. Reminds me a little of Joe Gibbs:

"I don't blame it on the quarterback. I blame it on me," Shanahan said. "I have to get it in there a little quicker."

[SolidSnake84]

Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??

Because of his rotten preseason last year, perhaps.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??

I believe Collins contract expired at the end of the season (check me if I'm wrong) don't know if he's considering retirement.

I'm definitely interested in seeing what Shanahan's opinion of Brennan is as it relates to his future as a Redskin.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm definitely interested in seeing what Shanahan's opinion of Brennan is as it relates to his future as a Redskin.

me too. i think brennan would be a good fit for shanny's offense.

[tmandoug1]

Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.

Conventional wisdom suggests and has guided the thought process of many, that in order to reach the pinacle of success, a team needs to draft a QB in the top ten.

QB's like Mark Rypien and Tom Brady both drafted in the 6th round are players who have debunked the myth that you have to draft that ever elusive (so called) franchise QB. at the top of the draft to have a very successful QB in your employ. Their play has demonstrated that a QB needs only to be effecient to win. However, it is also widely believed that in order to win consistently on a sustained basis, the search for a high profile talent is a must.

The drafting of a FQB is totaly contradictory unto itself because they aren't drafted, they are made. A FQB is IMO, one who can walk into any huddle in the NFL pick up the football and have imediate success. By saying that, these type QB's are not defined by the system they paly in because you don't have to build a system around them for them to be effective. They do it because they can make any throw in any offense and succeed with any coach and with any type of offensive personnel around them. The performances of Brett Favre the last two seasons are perfect examples of what I'm referring too.

No Collegiate QB can bring that to the table, the best they can bring is the potential to be that, but the title of FQB will elude them until they demonstrate they can perform to the level of what the title demands. Hence the argument of what and not who is considered a FQB.

A good offensive line is also vital to the success of any QB. We need to look no further than our own Jason Campbell as a testament to that.

[irish]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.

The Skins won big one year with Ryp at QB because that year he tore it up he was an unbelievably accurate passer. His other years he still had a nice O line but couldnt hit the broad side of a barn and the Skins didnt win. So far JC has shown he's not an accurate passer and no O line can fix that.

[MTK]

Yeah I'm not sure exactly what Brennan has done to deserve anything more than being an afterthought at this point. He was Zorn's pet project. Now with a new coach you would have to think Shanahan will want his own project to groom.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I'm not sure exactly what Brennan has done to deserve anything more than being an afterthought at this point. He was Zorn's pet project. Now with a new coach you would have to think Shanahan will want his own project to groom.

Brennan had contrasting pre-seasons 2008-2009. Many thought he had a splendid pre-season in 2008 with raves following his performances--36-53--411 yds. 3td's 0 Int's. Hip, and other injuries slowed his performance in 2009 and his numbers took a freefall, 23-43--249 yds. 0 td's 3 int's. and the raves began to subside. I'm still interested in seeing where he fits in, if at all. If he's over his injuries he'll be in position to show the best he has to offer with no excuses.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Brennan had contrasting pre-seasons 2008-2009. Many thought he had a splendid pre-season in 2008 with raves following his performances--36-53--411 yds. 3td's 0 Int's. Hip, and other injuries slowed his performance in 2009 and his numbers took a freefall, 23-43--249 yds. 0 td's 3 int's. and the raves began to subside. I'm still interested in seeing where he fits in, if at all. If he's over his injuries he'll be in position to show the best he has to offer with no excuses.

Yeah people drooled over his rookie preseason but in reality I don't think his two preseasons were all that different, in 2009 some of his forced throws got picked where in 2008 he managed to slip in those dangerous throws for completions. I know the Cult of Colt is still holding out hope, but with a new staff he's definitely on the fence and will have a lot to prove and in a very short period of time.

[MTK]

Collins is still under contract, he signed a 6 year deal in 2008. The last 3 were voidable though.

Redskins Insider - The Todd Collins Contract

[Chico23231]

Its time for TC to retire or be let go...good guy, but it is time to move on, plus JC may be the new back up if Shanny drafts a rookie...Brennan from what we have seen isnt a capable starter yet this league...maybe the Canadian league, but not the NFL