The Tempered Expectations Thread

[BigHairedAristocrat]

good analysis CRR. I agree BA is the key to everything. He definitely has all the "diplomatic" skills. Since personnel issues are a weakness for both him and Shanahan, I would not mind at all if BA ends up being promoted to Team President and another GM is brought in. BA certainly seems to have all the intangibles of someone you want LEADING the organization.

[tryfuhl]

We've had some soft coaches in the past several years.. I think that Shanahan at least brings back some sort of "earn your spot" type of leadership and gets us more tight-knit. That can only help us work together as a team better.

[GusFrerotte]

How can you break the rose colored glasses yet or have reservations about whether Allen and Shanny can turn it around. 7 HCs in 10 years? Different systems, coaches, players, and same crap result with the exception of the rare playoff appearances. And even those sucked. Norv had the only really decent playoff team in that 10 year stretch and he got canned. Only smart thing to do is have subdued positivism. It is nice a GM was hired, but that in itself doesn't guarantee success. Don't get me wrong I am excited, but I am not going to give myself all giddy until I see some positive results where they count and that is on the field!!!!!!

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How can you break the rose colored glasses yet or have reservations about whether Allen and Shanny can turn it around. 7 HCs in 10 years? Different systems, coaches, players, and same crap result with the exception of the rare playoff appearances. And even those sucked. Norv had the only really decent playoff team in that 10 year stretch and he got canned. Only smart thing to do is have subdued positivism. It is nice a GM was hired, but that in itself doesn't guarantee success. Don't get me wrong I am excited, but I am not going to give myself all giddy until I see some positive results where they count and that is on the field!!!!!!

Totally, this probably resembles the Marty hire as much as anything...if Snyder even tones down his meddling and we don't big time miss in this draft (or the next few drafts), we should be okay for the next few years.

[GusFrerotte]

Line didn't suck in 2007, Portis still was productive for the most part. In '08 it slid, but was still OK. THis year age finally took its toll with the injuries. Thing was the FO thought short term while they needed to invest in young linemen via the draft or even FA. The thinking under Snyder has always been in the short term, try and turn it a round within one offseason or two. That wasn't ever going to happen.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

So, what are the chances Snyder wants to have 1-2 hour meetings to break down film with Shanahan, too?

D.C. Sports Bog - Jim Zorn broke down game film with Dan Snyder

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So, what are the chances Snyder wants to have 1-2 hour meetings to break down film with Shanahan, too?

D.C. Sports Bog - Jim Zorn broke down game film with Dan Snyder

Sounds like that's over with thankfully

sometime during the season the weekly film sessions stopped, perhaps as part of the broader changes instituted by Allen. For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.

"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So, what are the chances Snyder wants to have 1-2 hour meetings to break down film with Shanahan, too?

D.C. Sports Bog - Jim Zorn broke down game film with Dan Snyder

Oh god. The Danny and Zorn breaking down film together? I can only imagine how hard other NFL coaches and Execs would laugh at that scene.

I did read one great thing in that post:

Anyhow, sometime during the season the weekly film sessions stopped, perhaps as part of the broader changes instituted by Allen. For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.

"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So, what are the chances Snyder wants to have 1-2 hour meetings to break down film with Shanahan, too?

D.C. Sports Bog - Jim Zorn broke down game film with Dan Snyder

BUT BHA, did you read the last paragraph of this article:

For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.

"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.

This indicates that yes in the past players walked straight up to Snyder's office (as we assumed), interestingly he was directed to Allen, not Shanahan, so there is some level of equality and separation, and BA is taking full control of the GM level issues. Seems like a good end to an otherwise unsettling article.

Also, I still don't mind if DS sits in on game film study, but what was the "Shudder" part is that JZ felt if he didn't do it, someone else(VC) would do it, and manipulate DS through it. Anyone else still rejoicing that VC is gone?!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

BUT BHA, did you read the last paragraph of this article:

This indicates that yes in the past players walked straight up to Snyder's office (as we assumed), interestingly he was directed to Allen, not Shanahan, so there is some level of equality and separation, and BA is taking full control of the GM level issues. Seems like a good end to an otherwise unsettling article.

Also, I still don't mind if DS sits in on game film study, but what was the "Shudder" part is that JZ felt if he didn't do it, someone else(VC) would do it, and manipulate DS through it. Anyone else still rejoicing that VC is gone?!

Ugh. I shudder every time Kevin plays the sound clip of VC saying "for the fans." It literally makes me nauseaus.

BA was definitely "running interference" between the coaches/players and Snyder. The only question is, at what point does Snyder decide to go around Allen to get more involved. Not once, during Snyder's 11 year ownership of the team, has been able to stay out of the way of the men he's hired to do their jobs. Everything seems all rosey to some folks here, but what happens if Shanahan starts 2-6 in his second year with the team? Only then will we really know if things have truly changed.

People can make all the arguments they want about how its Snyders team and he should have "X" amount of involvement. But history has shown that whenever Snyder meddles, he makes a bad situation even worse.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

So, what are the chances Snyder wants to have 1-2 hour meetings to break down film with Shanahan, too?

D.C. Sports Bog - Jim Zorn broke down game film with Dan Snyder

Hellie asked the coach why he would take the time to do that with everything else he had on his docket. Zorn in turn explained that Snyder had wanted someone to watch tape with him and that "If someone was going to explain to him why plays were called and why things were run, I wanted it to be me, I didn't want it to be anybody else."


Shudder. Anyhow, sometime during the season the weekly film sessions stopped, perhaps as part of the broader changes instituted by Allen. For example, Hellie also talked to a player recently who had attempted to see the owner to lobby for his positional coach to keep his job.


"He was literally stopped at the door by the secretary, who said all football matters have to go through Bruce Allen," Hellie told me. Which seems to make some amount of sense.

[Skinny Tee]

Great thread topic by the way.

All Skins fans should take the enthusiasm out of the front office moves until their is on field production yielded from them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Great thread topic by the way.

All Skins fans should take the enthusiasm out of the front office moves until their is on field production yielded from them.

I thought it only fitting given the elation around the Shanahan/Allen thing despite how many times we've been burned in the past 10 years.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I thought it only fitting given the elation around the Shanahan/Allen thing despite how many times we've been burned in the past 10 years.

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I just re-read what I wrote and noticed that I accidentally put "their" when I should have put "there"

That is a typo and not a lack of knowing the correct usage of "there".

...I really can't stand when people do that so I wanted to correct it.
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Expectations should be tempered just on the fact that our team needs to be overhauled just to get the right personnel for these coaches in the appropriate places. Our OL needs to be overhauled and that alone is 5 positions of starters/backups that need to be addressed.


Rome wasn't built in a day and if you think it can be then you're suffering from the same lack of foundation that the Skins have.

[MTK]

Perhaps we should temper all negativity as well and truly be in wait and see mode.