Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have false excitement and hope.

I'm not saying it's satisfactory, but you DID say he was the worst. So is he the worst or not?

You're all over the place. Nothing is different, though the actions are promising... do you even know what you're thinking?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

* - Edited

Once again you're assuming that we can get whoever we want. Zimmer and Crennel obviously didn't want to come here.. just like Cowher. That's a really strange way to base things.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that.

What are you basing this on...and more important when? People keep talking about Haslett's defenses when he was a HC, and honestly I don't think that's a good assessment. I mean Spags was a great DC in New York, but that hasn't necessarily translated well into his stint in St. Louis as a head coach.

If you tell me that Haslett was a piss poor defensive coordinator when he was with New Orleans in 1996, and the Steelers in 1997, 1998, and 1999, then I'll piss all over the corn flakes like you. Otherwise then all of us need to have a wait and see attitude about this.

Oh and there is a worst DC than Haslett that the Redskins could have hired, his name is Greg Blache.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What are you basing this on...and more important when? People keep talking about Haslett's defenses when he was a HC, and honestly I don't think that's a good assessment. I mean Spags was a great DC in New York, but that hasn't necessarily translated well into his stint in St. Louis as a head coach.

If you tell me that Haslett was a piss poor defensive coordinator when he was with New Orleans in 1996, and the Steelers in 1997, 1998, and 1999, then I'll piss all over the corn flakes like you. Otherwise then all of us need to have a wait and see attitude about this.

Oh and there is a worst DC than Haslett that the Redskins could have hired, his name is Greg Blache.

People keep forgetting that he was a DC with St. Louis for 2-1/2 years (3 full offseasons to implement his system) before being named interim head coach.

Greg Blache was never in consideration for the DC job in 2010. Its been beleived for months that he, along with his uber-passive version of GG's defensive system, was retiring.

[Ruhskins]

I don't know why ppl keep focusing on Haslett's record as a HC. He ran a good defense for three seasons in Pittsburgh (top 15) before becoming the Saints HC. Grilliams was a pretty bad HC in Buffalo and Spags has had a rough time in St. Louis, but they are both really good DCs. Ppl need to chill the F out and see how things work out.

[Chico23231]

dont like the move, he past defenses werent that great....

[rypper11]

I like Haslett's attitude and approach to his players. He doesn't have any problem getting in a player's face or calling them out. I think he gets a lot out of his players regardless of their talent.

[Chico23231]

Wouldnt mind seeing a poll on this move...moving to the 3-4 is going to be too drastic of a move with the talent we all ready have on a defense which was f*ing 10 times better than our sorry a$$ offense...Our defense isnt that far off...3-4 defense is going to be just as big of a rebuilding process as our O, but I guess its really no better time to do it than now...IMO this is a let down compared to the rumours that Zim might have been here

[Ruhskins]

Matt Mosley's take on the Haslett hiring.

Haslett should be a good fit with Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Matt Mosley's take on the Haslett hiring.

Haslett should be a good fit with Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN

This should erase any concerns that Mosley and BHA are the same person

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This should erase any concerns that Mosley and BHA are the same person

Matt Mosley is the Founder, CEO, President, and sole memeber of the Official Media Jason Campbell Fan Club and will undoubtably petitition for his entrance to the Pro Football Hall of Fame years before his eligibility even begins. You should have all figured out we weren't the same person a long, long time ago

[hail_2_da_skins]

Lets play a few games before we deem Haslett as the worse defensive coordinator. I guess Greg Blache was the best defensive coordinator. His defenses were highly ranked. In my book that does mean jack. Seems like whenever the Redskins needed a stop to win a game, the defense failed miserably. I don't ever want to see a safety lined up 30 yards down field or a cornerback lined up 15 yards off the receiver when its third and 5. I hated the Redskin alignment. I like the players but Blache's strategy was questionable. I want to see change. I want to see what Haslett can do with the 3-4 hybrid.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Matt Mosley

I'm not sure where the Redskins' defense will rank next season, but I'm pretty sure they'll play at a higher level.

Amen, Matt.

[53Fan]

I'm not going to freak out about this. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have in mind. I'm tired of being one of the "Top Ten" defenses that can't hold a lead and scares absolutely no one. IMO we've been one of the most over rated defenses in the league the last couple of years. I'm willing to wait and see what someone else can do with this group. My first thought was, "oh no", but I think there's a lot of assuming going on and I'm open to seeing how they want to use our personell. I don't think we'll go straight 3-4 and I certainly don't think our previous DC used our guys to the best of their ability.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm not going to freak out about this. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have in mind. I'm tired of being one of the "Top Ten" defenses that can't hold a lead and scares absolutely no one. IMO we've been one of the most over rated defenses in the league the last couple of years. I'm willing to wait and see what someone else can do with this group. My first thought was, "oh no", but I think there's a lot of assuming going on and I'm open to seeing how they want to use our personell. I don't think we'll go straight 3-4 and I certainly don't think our previous DC used our guys to the best of their ability.

Summed up my feelings exactly. If we are the 11th ranked defense, but we hold onto a 28 24 lead with 2 minutes to go, I will be happy.