Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

Agreed. 100%. Over HALF the moves Shanahan has made are completely suspect.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

Well, that's certainly the glass is half empty look at things.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, that's certainly the glass is half empty look at things.

How is it glass half-empty when my only opinion is that it is too soon to make any judgments about this team.

Have they played a single down? Hell, have they even put on pads with Shanny at the helm. They've made some decent moves, sure, but we're used to being the offseason champs.

For now, the only concrete thing to be excited about is the fact that the front office seems to be competent, a refreshing departure from the past.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

How is it glass half-empty when my only opinion is that it is too soon to make any judgments about this team.

Have they played a single down? Hell, have they even put on pads with Shanny at the helm. They've made some decent moves, sure, but we're used to being the offseason champs.

For now, the only concrete thing to be excited about is the fact that the front office seems to be competent, a refreshing departure from the past.

I don't think Matty's questioning your logic, just stating you seem to be taking a pessimistic stance on the current roster moves.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

and don't forget not being a SB champion team but staying in a Holiday Inn Express the night before games will make them play like one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't put Jackson in the same category as Marshall. I think Miami gave Denver a 2nd rounder which IMO is a steal for Miami. I'm not giving up a 2nd rounder for Jackson. It's just too risky. 3rd rounder and Kelly then I'd make the deal.

Miami gave up two second rounders for Marshall

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Miami gave up two second rounders for Marshall

that's a steep price. not sure i would've given up 2 2nd rounders.

[MTK]

Marshall isn't the burner that Jackson is, he really has some speed for a big guy.

[12thMan]

I don't think the Marshall/Jackson comparisons are valid one bit. Besides size and athletic prowess, we're talking about two completely different caliber receivers.

For one, Jackson played in a more dynamic offense with more weapons. Marshall, for the most part, was the premier weapon in Denver and their offense isn't as imaginative or complex as San Diego's.

I guess the argument I'm making, if you team up Marshall with Norv Turner his stats go through the roof.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think the Marshall/Jackson comparisons are valid one bit. Besides size and athletic prowess, we're talking about two completely different caliber receivers.

For one, Jackson played in a more dynamic offense with more weapons. Marshall, for the most part, was the premier weapon in Denver and their offense isn't as imaginative or complex as San Diego's.

I guess the argument I'm making, if you team up Marshall with Norv Turner his stats go through the roof.

Marshall's stats are already through the roof. Has any receiver in football in the past three years had consecutive 100 catch, 1100 yard seasons? Off the top of my head I don't think so. And Marshall did it while 23, 24, and 25 years old with multiple coaches/QB's/systems. Big fan of the kid's game.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Mrshall is the better of the two for all reasons stated in the above posts.

I for one do not want to give up picks for VJ. ALTHOUGH keeping Moss, and adding Vincent as our #1 with Moss #2 and the two tightends does give us alot of weapons on offense and of course having weapons like that to go along with CP, LJ, MS, and WP in the backfield definately gives us a potent offense and should take us out of the doldrums in the NFC East. Superbowl I am not sure of, but it should make us a real contender to win the NFC east this year.

[T.O.Killa]

A friend of mine says that Shefter is reporting the Redskins have traded for Jackson. Can anyone confirm this

[MTK]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

A friend of mine says that Shefter is reporting the Redskins have traded for Jackson. Can anyone confirm this

Nothing on Twitter about it

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

There is nothing on the web about the trade being done.

I don't know about this guy.

Is he really looking at being suspended? does anyone have any info on this?