Andy Reid names Michael Vick as team's starting quarterback

[tryfuhl]

wtf is the backup plan if so?

[tryfuhl]

Just them receiving a call doesn't mean he's necessarily available.

[skinsfaninok]

WHO knows TRY? LOL Glad i'm not a eagles fan

[GTripp0012]

No doubt though, that the primary reason for this move came with beating McNabb and the Redskins in mind. If Kolb is as poor of a passer under pressure as he has shown to be to date, he would really struggle against our overload schemes. Whereas Vick will play fairly neutral to what the defense is trying to do to him.

[SirClintonPortis]

I don't think Fat Andy planned on Vick being more than Mr. Wildcat. There was no competition in the offseason, so he already decided on Kolb a long time ago. Then Vick comes in and lights it up. Bascially, I think he's not good with dealing with "shocks" or surprises. He was still clinging to his "plan" and Vick came and made a mess out of it. He may still be hoping that he still implement "Plan Kolb", as I'll call it.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I don't think Fat Andy planned on Vick being more than Mr. Wildcat. There was no competition in the offseason, so he already decided on Kolb a long time ago. Then Vick comes in and lights it up. Bascially, I think he's not good with dealing with "shocks" or surprises. He was still clinging to his "plan" and Vick came and made a mess out of it.

Bingo. The NFL is all about who's hot right now; just ask the four or five quarterbacks who just got benched. And we'll probably see a few more before the season ends. Hell, Kurt Warner just might come out of retirement before it's all over with.

Andy Reid went against his initial judgements about Vick based on the information and film he had to go on from training camp and the previous season. I think he was right in making this change sooner rather than later. The fans and the pundits will always play the what if game with McNabb vs. Vick vs. Kolb. That's what we do, but coaches have to get ready for the next opponent and field the best 22 guys to start on Sunday.

Bottom line, losing with MIke Vick based on how he's playing right now was more palatable than the prospect of losing with Kevin Kolb who doesn't appear ready for prime time. At least right now.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Bingo. The NFL is all about who's hot right now; just ask the four or five quarterbacks who just got benched. And we'll probably see a few more before the season ends. Hell, Kurt Warner just might come out of retirement before it's all over with.

Andy Reid went against his initial judgements about Vick based on the information and film he had to go on from training camp and the previous season. I think he was right in making this change sooner rather than later. The fans and the pundits will always play the what if game with McNabb vs. Vick vs. Kolb. That's what we do, but coaches have to get ready for the next opponent and field the best 22 guys to start on Sunday.

Bottom line, losing with MIke Vick based on how he's playing right now was more palatable than the prospect of losing with Kevin Kolb who doesn't appear ready for prime time. At least right now.

The Vick film from last season showed a player who was pretty washed up. Instead Vick was out of football shape and rusty.

As for KK I don't think we can say he is not ready for prime time based off hi play in one half.

[Monkeydad]

He's played more than one half in his career. That was his 13th game and He hasn't impressed.

Also:

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that the Eagles received "numerous calls" from "several teams" about Kevin Kolb's availability following coach Andy Reid's press conference Tuesday night.
Kolb is still very well thought of around the NFL, which bodes well for his value as a "hold" in dynasty leagues. Asked Wednesday if Kolb would be in Philly past the October 19 trade deadline, Reid replied "Listen, I can't predict anything down that far, nobody in this league can do that." The Browns are definitely interested. The Bills, Cardinals, and Raiders might be too.

Philadelphia Eagles hear from several teams about Kevin Kolb, source says - ESPN

[Monkeydad]

Little DeSean Jackson is going to have to learn run blocking downfield with Vick playing QB.

He'll be more open to getting decked and hospitalized.

[SolidSnake84]

Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???

The logic is simply:

1. He wasn't a viable long-term QB option age 21-29 for many different reasons;
2. Quarterbacks, as a general group, aren't viable ages 30-36;
3. An exception (meaningless here) to #2 includes those QBs we were viable between 21 and 29;

Conclusion: Vick probably isn't viable between ages 30-36.

There are always exceptions to every rule, but those exceptions aren't based on being passable for two games.

[MTK]

To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.

In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.

Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.

Decent enough to trade him and test the backup market for someone who would, inevitably at some point, become a major part of their offense?

Even if Vick does play at a much improved level, it seems impossible to think he would suddenly turn into a guy who doesn't miss any time. Even the Falcons had a developing Schaub behind him.

What kind of return would Kolb have to bring to make him worth giving up? Something like McNabb brought, at least, I would think. And who would do that in the same year that McNabb set the market?