Is it finally time to rebuild??

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Looking at those picks I'd go this route.

#1 - OL
#2 - WR
#5 - WR
#5 - RB or NT
The last three....best athlete.

Try to sign Joseph Adai or Cedric Bensen as a FA to address RB.
Start Grossman and go fish for another cheap QB (this is assuming McNabb is gone)

Draft a QB #1 in 2012

Do you even know who's available in those rounds. Assigning positions to rounds is more prioritizing than anything else. Even then which QB's are going to be available in 2012? Do you really want to be dealing with a rookie QB in 2012 or a 2nd year QB? Unless of course you want to tank the season in 2011 and go for Andrew Luck in which case I approve of your plan.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Orakpo, Landry, Fletcher, T. Williams, Moss, Cooley, and Torain should be the only players that are locked in next year as starters with this team (and Banks on special teams). The rest of the positions are wide open to being replaced with young talent. We really have no area of strength on this team. For the draft I think we should use either the 1st or 2nd round pick on an offensive lineman but besides that choose the best available players regardless of position because they can be starters on this team. Say we draft at #8, what position could we possibly be upset about if they make a selection there? (originally i wanted both 1st/2nd picks on o-lineman but after watching more games we need help EVERYWHERE!)

[SirClintonPortis]

Whoops, wrong thread.

[SmootSmack]

Riley's having a strong game...for those of you who have already quit on him

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Riley's having a strong game...for those of you who have already quit on him

If he doesnt make the probowl this year, he's a bust in my book.


In all seriousness, he could probably step in next year and do just as a good a job as Rocky. Cept Rocky probably gonna want 10-13 guaranteed this offseason, I would pass and start Riley or take that 10-13 give it to a better player(s).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Riley's having a strong game...for those of you who have already quit on him

He definitely looks solid, if he's not in the starting lineup next year opening day I'd be surprised.

[drew54]

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that when you trade for a guy like McNabb you say, "We can win now." There never should have been that attitude coming into a decade long dumpster fire, that even Joe Gibbs couldn't put out.

Step one, admit you have a problem. Snyder did that last year, and Shanahan is doing it this year.

After watching Rex today, it is more painful that we traded for McNabb.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by drew54

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that when you trade for a guy like McNabb you say, "We can win now." There never should have been that attitude coming into a decade long dumpster fire, that even Joe Gibbs couldn't put out.

Step one, admit you have a problem. Snyder did that last year, and Shanahan is doing it this year.

After watching Rex today, it is more painful that we traded for McNabb.

At the time though, trading for McNabb, rebuilding or not, was thought to be a relatively good deal. Ideally, you'd like to keep your picks; but most everybody viewed Dmac as a guy who knew how to win, wasn't 'over the hill'-type old, and gave the team solid veteran leadership.

Outside of Andy Reid, I'll bet there wasn't anybody in the league who could have envisioned how bad he turned out to be.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

At the time though, trading for McNabb, rebuilding or not, was thought to be a relatively good deal. Ideally, you'd like to keep your picks; but most everybody viewed Dmac as a guy who knew how to win, wasn't 'over the hill'-type old, and gave the team solid veteran leadership.

Outside of Andy Reid, I'll bet there wasn't anybody in the league who could have envisioned how bad he turned out to be.

I highly doubt this.

[Beemnseven]

Maybe you can pull it up somewhere, but I don't recall a legion of naysayers who definitively said McNabb was done and should retire.

The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. The only question was the price tag.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Maybe you can pull it up somewhere, but I don't recall a legion of naysayers who definitively said McNabb was done and should retire.

The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. The only question was the price tag.

I don't think McNabb is done or that he should retire. I just don't think bringing him HERE was a good idea. Take a team like Arizona or Minnesota who have all the components and would want to win right away, they would have benefited with a McNabb type. And the price tag was too high.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. The only question was the price tag.

The other thing I think people were saying is that: what exactly were you getting from McNabb that you weren't already getting in Campbell? A resume? Veteran experience? Something more...tangible, perhaps?

It seemed like the first conclusion we made is that Campbell was a poor fit for the Shanahan system. That could be granted as fact, except that trading for a similar player who is less accurate in McNabb was nonsensical. If you need to go in a different direction at QB, you should actually go in a different direction. The new direction was older.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The other thing I think people were saying is that: what exactly were you getting from McNabb that you weren't already getting in Campbell? A resume? Veteran experience? Something more...tangible, perhaps?

It seemed like the first conclusion we made is that Campbell was a poor fit for the Shanahan system. That could be granted as fact, except that trading for a similar player who is less accurate in McNabb was nonsensical. If you need to go in a different direction at QB, you should actually go in a different direction. The new direction was older.

The reality at the time was many folks were scapegoating Campbell...I didn't have that issue with him...we all new he'd never be amazing...just average.
McNabb clearly had a past of being really good...probowler...winner, etc.
His numbers and win percentage indicated that he should be the best franchise QB the skins would have in a decade or longer....even with a bit of a decline due to age...the bottom line is this.
McNabb clearly underperformed this year...even with the poor oline.
But I don't blame him completely...the insanity of the oline coaching and inabilty to make protection coverage changes made the problems far more obvious....think about Rabach starting ALL YEAR and the inabilty to make adjustments with max protection....remember we have a killer FB and a clearly underutilized power LG that is usually not even eligible to play.

This line is still half way a power rushing team and half zone blocking...there were many times close to the goal line we could have benefited from old school smash mouth blocking schemes...the overcomittment to zone blocking (and the 3-4 btw) just to make a point, has probably lost us a few games.....and it certainly has affected the effectiveness of Donovan McNabb

Is it time to rebuild?
Obviously the answer is YES...
It has been every year since Danny purchased the team
But he is a marketing guru...he wants to make sales based on the yearly dream that the Skins could go on a major playoff run....that is usually justified by an offseason coaching or key player acquisition.

Bottom line...we need an overhaul of at least half the team.
To be honest...I'd trade our roster for about 25 other teams

[drew54]

I would really like to see this OL with Heyer at guard and Montgomery or Lichtensteiger at Center.

I get a feeling that Heyer is the only back up for either tackle position, so they do not want to risk it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by drew54

I would really like to see this OL with Heyer at guard and Montgomery or Lichtensteiger at Center.

I get a feeling that Heyer is the only back up for either tackle position, so they do not want to risk it.

Nothing is etched in stone but, according to coaches, after Dockery and Hicks were replaced by Montgomery and Lichtensteiger the line actually performed better. That's not saying they'll be the 2011 starters at the two respective positions but I would imagine their play so far this season will give them both a leg up on any incoming competition.

On Washington Redskins' revamped offensive line, nothing is certain