8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Continues

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Gotcha. That you know of, has D Smith, or any player given a proposal or negotiating points since they walked away from the mediation?

Not that I know of. I doubt any player would anyway

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

F'ing brilliant. Winner.

Please note that this has to be the shortest post ever from JR. I want to thank everybody involved in helping him learn how to use a minimum of words effectively!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Please note that this has to be the shortest post ever from JR. I want to thank everybody involved in helping him learn how to use a minimum of words effectively!

It's Tuesday "drink with the neighbors and all their frends" Night. So you need to also thiank the two bottles of wine, 4 magaritas and 2 shots of bourbon I have drank in the last two hours.

f' em all. Football forever. Fight for all DC!!

SB XVII, GTripp & FRPG are brilliant, Dirtbag gets it, SS - however - is a whiny insider player's know-it-all. NC_Skins is a communist.

Going to drink more.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's Tuesday "drink with the neighbors and all their frends" Night. So you need to also thiank the two bottles of wine, 4 magaritas and 2 shots of bourbon I have drank in the last two hours.

f' em all. Football forever. Fight for all DC!!

SB XVII, GTripp & FRPG are brilliant, Dirtbag gets it, SS - however - is a whiny insider player's know-it-all. NC_Skins is a communist.

Going to drink more.

Now waiting on the Lockout Continues-Drunk Thread super-merge.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

SB XVII, GTripp & FRPG are brilliant, Dirtbag gets it, SS - however - is a whiny insider player's know-it-all. NC_Skins is a communist.

Going to drink more.

You must be drunk, saying something as foolish as that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's Tuesday "drink with the neighbors and all their frends" Night. So you need to also thiank the two bottles of wine, 4 magaritas and 2 shots of bourbon I have drank in the last two hours.

f' em all. Football forever. Fight for all DC!!

SB XVII, GTripp & FRPG are brilliant, Dirtbag gets it, SS - however - is a whiny insider player's know-it-all. NC_Skins is a communist.

Going to drink more.

Ya know I coulda found a way over there!

[Ruhskins]

I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I don't understand why can't there be negotiations while the league it is still running. I just feel that the teams are shooting themselves in the foot by not having free agency and offseason workouts/practices/training camps.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I don't understand why can't there be negotiations while the league it is still running. I just feel that the teams are shooting themselves in the foot by not having free agency and offseason workouts/practices/training camps.

I think in the perfect world they could, but....

I, for some reason, believe or have heard that when the players decertified or filed their decertification the owners had to lockout to protect themselves. from what I don't know? each player possibly filing a suit against them? or because the union did it to get the upper hand the owners locked out to keep the upper hand. I don't know.

As others have said, does it really matter who has the upper hand? if either side is not happy with the offer just don't agree to it until both sides are happy. The owners can't put football games on if the players don't agree and sit out ie; strike. The players can't play unless the owners bus them to their location to play. Let them work out all they want.

[SBXVII]

Why is there so much debate over the 59% or 53%? The owners say 59% the players say 53%.

Could I possibly be right in thinking the owners keep talking about the expired CBA and after the 1 billion was taken off the top the players received 59% of the income.

But under the new CBA offered by the NFL 2 billion would be taken off the top and the players would only get 53%?

Is that even remotely close? "if" I am then split the difference. If the players refuse to give up their 59% then let the owners take 2 billion off the top and of the remaining give the players 59%. or... only give the owners 1 billion off the top and only give the players 53% of the income. Fair?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Why is there so much debate over the 59% or 53%? The owners say 59% the players say 53%.

Could I possibly be right in thinking the owners keep talking about the expired CBA and after the 1 billion was taken off the top the players received 59% of the income.

But under the new CBA offered by the NFL 2 billion would be taken off the top and the players would only get 53%?

Is that even remotely close? "if" I am then split the difference. If the players refuse to give up their 59% then let the owners take 2 billion off the top and of the remaining give the players 59%. or... only give the owners 1 billion off the top and only give the players 53% of the income. Fair?

59% is of the 8billion (including 1billion exemption)
53% is of the total 9 billion.

either way it equates to approx 4.7 billion.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

59% is of the 8billion (including 1billion exemption)
53% is of the total 9 billion.

either way it equates to approx 4.7 billion.

What happens when the pot gets bigger?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by saden1

What happens when the pot gets bigger?

Well in some states I think your allowed to have like a gram or something but if the pot gets bigger then your going to probably go to jail.

Any questions?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by sbxvii

well in some states i think your allowed to have like a gram or something but if the pot gets bigger then your going to probably go to jail.

Any questions?

lol.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

What happens when the pot gets bigger?

I imagine that you are quite capable of the math, but I guess the off season is ripe for mathematics

59% of 9B = 5.31Bill
53% of 10B = 5.3Bill

59% of 10B = 5.9Bill
53% of 11B = 5.83Bill

59% of 11B = 6.49Bill
53% of 12B = 6.36Bill

etc
extra credit
(suppose the additional 1b credit was issued then what % are we talking about)
start at 9B, subtract 2B = 7B (note the NFL has moved off the 2B number)
now use 59% (as that is the % after the exemption) = 4.13B
now find new % (4.13B/9B)*100 = 47% (approx)
that is the % the NFL initially asked the players to accept using the TGR system.

or something along those lines.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I imagine that you are quite capable of the math, but I guess the off season is ripe for mathematics

59% of 9B = 5.31Bill
53% of 10B = 5.3Bill

59% of 10B = 5.9Bill
53% of 11B = 5.83Bill

59% of 11B = 6.49Bill
53% of 12B = 6.36Bill

etc
extra credit
(suppose the additional 1b credit was issued then what % are we talking about)
start at 9B, subtract 2B = 7B (note the NFL has moved off the 2B number)
now use 59% (as that is the % after the exemption) = 4.13B
now find new % (4.13B/9B)*100 = 47% (approx)
that is the % the NFL initially asked the players to accept using the TGR system.

or something along those lines.

Let's recap...if they players take the 59% proposal, they are getting the short end of the stick compared to the last CBA...if the players take the 53% they care getting screwed in the long run compared to the 59% proposal. On top of that they can't look at the books and If they don't take any deal they get locked out.


Sounds like the players are #winning.

CRedskinsRule, what would you do differently from the players?