How far can Beck take us?

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Brody81

And you know from all of your NFL experience!! Give me a break dude! Kolb has played in 2 more games than Beck. You like Kolb because the NFL network, and other so called experts have jumped on the Kolb bandwagon. Aren't you tired of the big name free agents? Do you know better than MS? Maybe DS should have hired you to lead the Redskins with all of your experience. Why am i wasting my time????

Yo, Chill the eff out bro. All I said is that there is strong indicators for there to be reason for redskins fans to not be sold on beck. Even if you have a different view, if you don't understand why redskins fans are nervous or pessimistic about beck, then your just an idiot. Of course anything can happen, Beck could be great, but the indicators say probably not.
And for the record, I don't like kolb at all. I just understand why he is highly more desired than beck, which is what I tried to iterate in the last post.

[gafinfan]

Originally Posted by skinster

True, but Kolb was kept on his team instead of one of the Eagles all time great qbs. Beck was a 2nd rounder who got cut by the team that drafted him 2 years later, then got cut as the third string qb by the ravens, then was our 3rd string qb last year. And to add insult to injury, Beck will be 30, which gives less longevity possibility. Neither has proven anything, but how they have been treated by their respective teams is a pretty large indicator of how much they are valued in the nfl and a reasonably accurate predictor of how they will do in the future. Of course, neither has proven anything yet so there are no absolutes, but if you can't see why Redskins fans are concerned, then I think that's on you.

Your team just traded an all pro QB from the same team you are singing praises of their treatment of their QB's as being an indicator of said QB's worth. One has to wonder why you would think so highly of that system to compare Kolb to Beck with Beck being the negative of the two.

I will bet here and now that Beck will out play Kolb this season. jm2c I will also bet that Kolb will be back in the barn at the Reed house for free within 3 years! The Cards were idiots for paying that much for Kolb and Reed must be dying laughing all the way to the bank this year! He pulled that on us with Feeley back in 03-04.

As for Orton I'm so happy Miami didn't do the stupid deal and pay an equal price for Orton. BTW the guy is 11 & 18 in his last 29 starts, so much for him being anyone's savior!

[skinsfaninok]

He won't be as bad as Ramsey, Matthews or Banks thats for sure

[Meks]

Nonsense is the only thing I hear from anyone untill we actually see him play in a skins uniform this year.... why bother wasting ur breath speculating? Wait til after the preseason AT LEAST ... IMO if brought back Grossman and Beck will have a good competition and hopefully the best man wins and certain egos are checked at the door.

[Meks]

The difference also between kolb n Beck is on field performance ... even in the little time they had...

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by Meks

The difference also between kolb n Beck is on field performance ... even in the little time they had...

Dude your talking about apples and oranges... Beck started 4 games for a horrible Miami team that threw in the towel on the season.

Kolb played behind a solid Eagles team.

[Lotus]

The cold fact is that no one, not even Beck, knows who he is as an NFL starter.

He could be the next come-from-nowhere Kurt Warner. Or he could be the next Patrick Ramsey.

What we do know is that if he cannot beat out Grossman for the starting job, we are in trouble offensively.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Brody81

Dude your talking about apples and oranges... Beck started 4 games for a horrible Miami team that threw in the towel on the season.

Kolb played behind a solid Eagles team.

Seriously, I bet if it had been Kolb in Miami and Beck in Philly and Beck had gotten the chance to show what he could do in relief appearances, right about now Kolb would be in Beck's shoes and Beck would be in AZ signing a contract for 63 million. Miami had an atrocious team that year. Philly surrounded Kolb with a mixture of young talent and proven vets. Apples and oranges indeed.

@Skinster: Beck wasn't cut, we traded for him. Granted it was Doug Dutch, but if this move works out and Beck starts looking like a decent quarterback everybody will look back at this as a win for the Skins. Especially if we can turn around and flip Beck for picks or a player down the road.

[Meks]

Listen I effing hate Kevin kolb and those clowns in Philly. But until beck proves otherwise. .. kolb is better right now

[skinsnut]

how far can Beck take us?
Probably at least to the McDonalds drive thru.
Anything else is gravy.
Expecting any more than a 6-10 season with this squad and him leading is crazy.

[skinsnut]

Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly

Are you really comparing Spurrier to Shanahan?

[skinsnut]

Oh yeah...you guy remember another head coach favorite QB that no one else in the NFL thought could succeed...Danny Wuerfull?

Not saying Beck is that bad...but....arrogance blinds and Skins fans sometimes suffer....I sure wish our coach were more objective and humble.

[GusFrerotte]

I am willing to let Beck have his shot, but come on now guys. The guy has been shuffled around so much in his short NFL career that only the delusional aren't going to be rather skeptical about the guy. If this guy couldn't get the starting job down in Miami, what makes you think he all of a sudden is going to become a stud for us? In fact, when has a drafted QB dud ever turn around his career and become a stud? Remember Gus Frerotte and Patrick Ramsey? The Gator twins that came with the Ole Ball Coach? JC? JC is the only one of the aforementioned guys that has a shot at redemption, but probably won't be a stud. History is not on the side of John Beck,and I would not put any money on him being a stud for us either. He is a backup for the newbie that will be drafted in 2012. And if the Skins were to get a little bold and take two Qbs, he might not be on the team.

[mooby]

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?