Chris Chester Signs

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Bruce Allen is a good executive (he's won exec of the year before in the NFL), and I think there's plenty of evidence from this offseason if you want to see he's a good executive.

But overpaying Bowen and Chester is overpaying Bowen and Chester. Allen's thing is good contracts, and he's lived up to the hype so far, but his last two signings are not good, team-friendly contracts.

It's still way too early to limit the parallels between Vinny Cerrato's show and Mike Shanahan's show. If Shanahan is different, he'll win more games. Two years under Cerrato, we averaged six wins per year. One year under Shanahan, we won six games. If our current executives are better than our prior ones, it will show in the results. I promise.

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

I don't see why we would wait until their on the field considering the execs don't have that benefit.

I do want to see the structure of the Chester deal. I'm not afraid to change my judgement instantly if its different than what I'm expecting, see: the McNabb extension.

I'll just point out that paying backups like starters was the mistake made in 2006. That was the mistake with Lloyd, Randle El, Fauria, not their lack of talent, necessarily. Randle El actually ended up a pretty good player here, but he never did shake the stigma of the contract he signed.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

Cofield has played nose tackle before. Just because the Giants have been running a 4-3 recently doesn't mean Cofield doesn't fit our scheme. He's over 300 pounds but is quick and gets to the QB. He'll do fine in the middle.



Here's a nice article/discussion about him:

Snide Debate: Is Barry Cofield The Answer for 25th Ranked Defense? - Hogs Haven


More:
Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington

NFL Rumors: Washington Redskins Agree to Terms with Giants DT Barry Cofield | Bleacher Report

Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

they're not haynesworth, archaletta type of signings but it's obvious they're trying to win now instead of trying to build something. cofield is a good player and i assmue they're going to put him in positions where he'll be able to make plays. wilson is coming from a weak balt. secondary. throwing a lot of money to a career back up DE is not a good move, throwing money to chester, who was benched by balt isn't smart. then bringing in two more journeymen wr's when you drafted guys also doesn't make sense. we'll see how it shakes out but history shows that signing a lot of free agents doesn't work.

[Monkeydad]

At least we didn't trade a Pro Bowl CB and 2nd-Round pick for a backup QB...then pay him $63 million.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

At least we didn't trade a Pro Bowl CB and 2nd-Round pick for a backup QB...then pay him $63 million.

And that's why the Cardinals are the Cardinals. That was one STUPID move. If I were them I just would've tried to get Bulger and keep the pick and your top corner. Terrible awful over pay. It seems that they've just gone downhill after that SB run.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And that's why the Cardinals are the Cardinals. That was one STUPID move. If I were them I just would've tried to get Bulger and keep the pick and your top corner. Terrible awful over pay. It seems that they've just gone downhill after that SB run.

I thought Orton was the best choice for them.

[Monkeydad]

I'll give you, McNabb was a bust for us and that was Shanny's idea, but Donovan's to blame too.

Do you realize that AH was causing problems for Zorn too? You can't blame Shanahan one bit for starting that. For $100 million, Albert should have been the punter if asked. He showed in a few games that he COULD be a great NT if he put any effort at all into it, so the whole "I am not a NT" whining is ridiculous.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I'll give you, McNabb was a bust for us and that was Shanny's idea, but Donovan's to blame too.

Do you realize that AH was causing problems for Zorn too? You can't blame Shanahan one bit for starting that. For $100 million, Albert should have been the punter if asked. He showed in a few games that he COULD be a great NT if he put any effort at all into it, so the whole "I am not a NT" whining is ridiculous.

I know AH gave zorn some problems,and like I said its not all on Shanahan about Big Al either,but some of it is.Again I will ask,why do you take a top 5 defense where your paying a guy 100 million to anchor a 4-3 and switch it to a 3-4?
Answer is you dont and I think Shanahan has somehow escaped a lot of heat on this.A great coach adapts to the talent,he has shown nothing to me but an ego bigger then Texas.And then hiring your son as offensive coordinator?I mean WTF!? Doesnt anybody see a conflict of interest there!?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I know AH gave zorn some problems,and like I said its not all on Shanahan about Big Al either,but some of it is.Again I will ask,why do you take a top 5 defense where your paying a guy 100 million to anchor a 4-3 and switch it to a 3-4?
Answer is you dont and I think Shanahan has somehow escaped a lot of heat on this.A great coach adapts to the talent,he has shown nothing to me but an ego bigger then Texas.And then hiring your son as offensive coordinator?I mean WTF!? Doesnt anybody see a conflict of interest there!?

I would, had Kyle Shanahan not made the Texans' offense into a passing game extraordinaire during his time there.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by mooby

I would, had Kyle Shanahan not made the Texans' offense into a passing game extraordinaire during his time there.

I think Matt Schaub and the best reciever in the NFL had more to do with that then Kyle

[mooby]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think Matt Schaub and the best reciever in the NFL had more to do with that then Kyle

I think it's an equal combination of players and a coach who knows how to use them.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think Matt Schaub and the best reciever in the NFL had more to do with that then Kyle

our passing game was the only thing that wasn't complete garbage last year (stat wise) we were #8, with bad blocking and suspect QB play.