Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?

[over the mountain]

I think D hall has some good, bad and ugly to him.

Good in that he takes chances trying to jump routes, bad in that it leads to him being burnt on double moves, etc. Good in that he will try and bait QBs into throwing his way so he can step in front but bad in that he will play off the guy and give up more receptions than if he just tried to blanket the reciever.

Even his attitude is a double sided coin to me. Good in that i think he gives it his all for the B&G, but bad in that he causes unnecessary trouble and extra stuff on the field.

He is what he is to me, love him when he takes one for 6, hate it when he gives up 6+ receptions in a game trying to get that one pick 6.

[GTripp0012]

In each of the last two seasons, DeAngelo Hall has dropped only one fewer INT than Carlos Stone Hands. In 2010, only four players dropped more than three INTs, the amount that Hall put on the ground. Rogers was one of those four players. He dropped four.

Courtesy the Football Outsiders charting project/FOA 2011.

[hooskins]

Gtripp stop presenting facts to back your argument. Why don't you emotionally support all players on the team while ignoring their play. You are a hater.

[MTK]

Hall still catches more than Rogers. Perhaps that's not saying much, but still.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hall still catches more than Rogers. Perhaps that's not saying much, but still.

If Rogers is the gold standard, then Hall is a playmaker.

[MTK]

Compared to Rogers he is a playmaker lol. I think that's why some have an inflated view of him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Compared to Rogers he is a playmaker lol. I think that's why some have an inflated view of him.

In the land of the blind, the one-eye man is king.

[GTripp0012]

I agree.

[Bucket]

Yes, but you have to be in position to actually make the INT, so a dropped INT counts as a pass deflection right?

D. Hall is the best cornerback on the Redskins, and the best playmaker on the Redskins defense. So he should receive #1 CB money, and he does. You can pull up 100 stats for why he isn't a great cornerback, and I can pull up 100 to why he is a great cornerback. It's all opinionated and will continue to be.

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I've never seen Rogers do that, and only a handful of CB's in the league can make plays like that. He basically won both of those games for us last year.

Has D. Hall had some questionable performances in the past? Sure, but to argue that last year wasn't his best year of his career, and better then most CB's in the league is foolish. He keeps getting better, and at 27 years old he will continue to flourish in this defense. If he doesn't ahve 8-10 INT's this year I would be surprised.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yes, but you have to be in position to actually make the INT, so a dropped INT counts as a pass deflection right?

D. Hall is the best cornerback on the Redskins, and the best playmaker on the Redskins defense. So he should receive #1 CB money, and he does. You can pull up 100 stats for why he isn't a great cornerback, and I can pull up 100 to why he is a great cornerback. It's all opinionated and will continue to be.

I've never seen Rogers do that, and only a handful of CB's in the league can make plays like that. He basically won both of those games for us last year.

Has D. Hall had some questionable performances in the past? Sure, but to argue that last year wasn't his best year of his career, and better then most CB's in the league is foolish. He keeps getting better, and at 27 years old he will continue to flourish in this defense. If he doesn't ahve 8-10 INT's this year I would be surprised.

No corner gave up more passing yards and no corner gave up more first downs + touchdowns than Hall last year. He also dropped three INTs. Keep that in mind if you suggest that he had a career year. The career year argument for Hall starts and ends with the fact that he scored a career high 2 TDs, most by the Redskins defense since 2007.

Also keep in mind that career years typically represent a high water point for a player and also suggest a decline in the next season.

If you started this thread and DON'T believe Hall is capable of playing better in 2011 than in 2010, lord help us all.

I am a buyer on your positioning argument, which is why I think Rogers was incredibly underrated and why Hall was never the no. 1 corner here before now.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No corner gave up more passing yards and no corner gave up more first downs + touchdowns than Hall last year. He also dropped three INTs. Keep that in mind if you suggest that he had a career year. The career year argument for Hall starts and ends with the fact that he scored a career high 2 TDs, most by the Redskins defense since 2007.

Also keep in mind that career years typically represent a high water point for a player and also suggest a decline in the next season.

If you started this thread and DON'T believe Hall is capable of playing better in 2011 than in 2010, lord help us all.

I'm curious, and not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing but how many drops and TDs did Nnamdi and Revis each give up last year?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm curious, and not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing but how many drops and TDs did Nnamdi and Revis each give up last year?

Nnamdi dropped one. Revis dropped either zero or one.

Revis gave up 320 passing yards. Nnamdi gave up 202 yards. Hall gave up 933. Nnamdi didn't give up a passing TD, according to FO. Revis I don't think gave up any, but I have no hard data on that.

Keep in mind that all of this is based on the idea that teams keep throwing at Hall, and pretty much no one goes after Revis and Nnamdi anymore. Hence why Hall had six INTs and Revis/Nnamdi had none.

Also they did not play any games against Kolb, Cutler, or Stafford, who accounted for all of Halls INTs in 2010.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I also remember Mayhew and Johnson does ring a bell (all beit a not very load one ). Was Mayhew not a good CB? My limitied memory as a child wants me to believe so. I may be thinking of the OLman though.... God I wish Icould go back and watch that time in Skins history as a slightly older young man. lol

[44ever]

Cant compare anyone to Green and he's certainly no Bailey at the moment, but I like what Hall brings to the Skins. We need dynamic players. Yes he gets burnt but he also takes it the other way many times. I would have to see how he looks when playing with a more dynamic Redskins team as a whole. If he gets the support midfield, I believe we will have more Hall believers after this season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Cant compare anyone to Green and he's certainly no Bailey at the moment, but I like what Hall brings to the Skins. We need dynamic players. Yes he gets burnt but he also takes it the other way many times. I would have to see how he looks when playing with a more dynamic Redskins team as a whole. If he gets the support midfield, I believe we will have more Hall believers after this season.

Twice. Many = twice.

Three counting the preseason.