Around the NFL Week 17

[GTripp0012]

It's hard to find words to describe the Cowboys performance thus far, but if I had to find one, I'd go with:

Cold.

[Dirtbag59]

My first mock.

1. Indy - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. St. Louis - Matt Kalil - OT - USC
3. Washington (From Minnesota) - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor (1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd round pick)
4. Cleveland - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne - CB- LSU
6. Minnesota (From Washington) - Jonathan Martin - OT - Stanford

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

My first mock.

1. Indy - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. St. Louis - Matt Kalil - OT - USC
3. Washington (From Minnesota) - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor (1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd round pick)
4. Cleveland - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne - CB- LSU
6. Minnesota (From Washington) - Jonathan Martin - OT - Stanford

1. Indy - Andrew Luck
2. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon
3. Minnesota - Matt Kalil
4. Cleveland - Robert Griffin III
5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne
6. Washington - Landry Jones*

Not because I want him, just because I think Luck and RG3 will be gone and we won't bet the farm to trade up.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

My first mock.

1. Indy - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. St. Louis - Matt Kalil - OT - USC
3. Washington (From Minnesota) - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor (1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd round pick)
4. Cleveland - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne - CB- LSU
6. Minnesota (From Washington) - Jonathan Martin - OT - Stanford

Don't get excited just yet, if Adam Shefter speculates that it would take at least 3 #1's and 2 #2's for the overall #1 pick, what does it say about the 2nd or 3rd overall pick? A lot more than you think.

Adam Schefter - ESPN

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Don't get excited just yet, if Adam Shefter speculates that it would take at least 3 #1's and 2 #2's for the overall #1 pick, what does it say about the 2nd or 3rd overall pick? A lot more than you think.

Adam Schefter - ESPN

Luck is in a different league from RGIII as a prospect. While teams will certainly be enamored with RGIII he's not the type of guy that teams will be willing to trade the farm for. He's in that Cam Newton/Sam Bradford territory where people aren't sure he should be picked so high but they understand. Panthers and Rams failed to receive any serious calls for their respective number 1 picks on draft day.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

My first mock.

1. Indy - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. St. Louis - Matt Kalil - OT - USC
3. Washington (From Minnesota) - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor (1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd round pick)
4. Cleveland - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne - CB- LSU
6. Minnesota (From Washington) - Jonathan Martin - OT - Stanford

I mock:

10. Washington (trade down with Buffalo, picking up a second or third): Ryan Tannehill, QB

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I mock:

10. Washington (trade down with Buffalo, picking up a second or third): Ryan Tannehill, QB

If we have any faith whatsoever that Tannehill or Foles can be our starting quarterback next season, they would be a better target for our draft day plan than Griffin. You can simply do more with less if your evaluation tells you that Foles or Tannehill are worth drafting in the first round.

Though if in the estimation of a talent evaluator, this is a Luck, Griffin and nothing else draft, then the smart money becomes going UP for Griffin (or depending on price, Luck) as opposed to waiting and hoping.

In short, when you pick 6th overall, what you think of Foles and Tannehill is big. If you like either a lot, I would PASS on Robert Griffin even if he fell to us. Come in with a plan, stay the course. If you don't like either, I would go get Griffin aggressively. Second or third overall if needed.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we have any faith whatsoever that Tannehill or Foles can be our starting quarterback next season, they would be a better target for our draft day plan than Griffin. You can simply do more with less if your evaluation tells you that Foles or Tannehill are worth drafting in the first round.

Though if in the estimation of a talent evaluator, this is a Luck, Griffin and nothing else draft, then the smart money becomes going UP for Griffin (or depending on price, Luck) as opposed to waiting and hoping.

In short, when you pick 6th overall, what you think of Foles and Tannehill is big. If you like either a lot, I would PASS on Robert Griffin even if he fell to us. Come in with a plan, stay the course. If you don't like either, I would go get Griffin aggressively. Second or third overall if needed.

Completely agree.

In the end I care less about which QB we get and more about Shanahan x 2 aggressively getting their QB guy, whoever he is.

[SFREDSKIN]

I love it Kyle talking some shit and I believe him:

CSN Washington

[MTK]

Stafford threw for 5,000 yards this year, nuff said.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Stafford threw for 5,000 yards this year, nuff said.

I think we all would be wise to remember when Stafford was throwing for just 7.0 yards per attempt. That was like, four weeks ago. At that point Stafford was a poor man's Carson Palmer.

I'm as surprised as anyone that Stafford managed to hit that number. I did not think he was capable. He exceeded my expectations.

I think the Lions feel like they found their franchise quarterback. Good for them. No one, myself included, should feel disappointed at such an achievement. If you had asked me before the season if there was any reasonable way that Stafford finished with more passing yards this year than Aaron Rodgers, I would have said injury only.

Aaron Rodgers - 9.2 YPA in 2011 (through week 16)
Matt Stafford - 7.5 YPA in 2011 (though week 16)

Good for the Lions. Good for Jim Schwartz. Good for Matthew Stafford. No one is disappointed that Stafford posted the best month of his career in December/January 2011/2012. If anything, I am disappointed in myself for losing faith in a 23 year old player as early as I did. And props out to GMScud for pointing out the error of my ways back then. You sir have wisdom that exceeds the need for hindsight to justify your opinions.

I still think Matthew Stafford has a long way to go. That's not really controversial. But I think he might be on par with, say, Matt Ryan at this point in their careers and thats a good place to be.

[Ruhskins]

I must say that looking at JPP with the Giants makes me wonder if Orakpo would have been a much better defensive player as a 4-3 DE.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I must say that looking at JPP with the Giants makes me wonder if Orakpo would have been a much better defensive player as a 4-3 DE.

JPP has freakish speed and explosion, Rak simply isn't in his league in that regard.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JPP has freakish speed and explosion, Rak simply isn't in his league in that regard.

He also seems bigger than Rak.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

He also seems bigger than Rak.

He is.