Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by milellie111

I don't think you know what you are talking about. I'm sure you said the same about Adrian Peterson after he tore his ACL and MCL just last year.

Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.

Terry Allen?

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.

Credric Griffin... BOOM!

Oh wait, maybe that proves your point...

[MTK]

Having a good backup isn't a luxury, it's practically a requirement these days. Didn't we just see the value of that last week?

I wouldn't consider moving Cousins until he's coming up on his last year here under contract. Until then, let's enjoy having a quality backup QB.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Having a good backup isn't a luxury, it's practically a requirement these days. Didn't we just see the value of that last week?

I wouldn't consider moving Cousins until he's coming up on his last year here under contract. Until then, let's enjoy having a quality backup QB.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

For some reason, i had thought that under the new CBA, 4th-7th round picks signed 3 year contracts, but the standard is 4 years for all drafted players. So we can keep Cousins for the next 2 seasons and trade him before the 2015 season. I would recommend drafting another QB in 2014 to be third string to learn from RGIII/cousins before potentially stepping into the primary backup role in 2015.

Of course, the 2013 offseason is somewhat unique. There are no really good QBs in the draft and, like always, lots of NFL teams needing a quarterback. Its possible a team with a GM/coach on the hotseat and desperate for a QB would offer a 1st rounder. It would be very foolish of them to do so for Cousins, but it would be hard to turn down a first.

[JoeRedskin]

No trade unless the offer is insane - I mean, replacement of all we lost for Griffin insane.

He is just too valuable in his current role given Griffin's fearlessness and the state of our offensive line.

[CRedskinsRule]

Some people wonder why the Skins were so bad for so long. Often the answer wasn't the high priced players that were brought in, but more so because the value of quality backups was ignored. A fan's eye view sees the top 22, maybe one or two special teamers or value added players and wants to go out and get the best at each position. That is what Danny, and VC did. A fan's eye view sees quality backups and thinks "Trade for a starter or high pick", a winning team's view sees backups as potential starters first (next man up) and trade value only at the backside of his contract (or when an "amazing" offer is thrown up).

From the looks of it, we can go 2-3 years with a very dynamic duo at qb, and use 2-7th rounds picks to fill depth and some starting positions.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Some people wonder why the Skins were so bad for so long. Often the answer wasn't the high priced players that were brought in, but more so because the value of quality backups was ignored. A fan's eye view sees the top 22, maybe one or two special teamers or value added players and wants to go out and get the best at each position. That is what Danny, and VC did. A fan's eye view sees quality backups and thinks "Trade for a starter or high pick", a winning team's view sees backups as potential starters first (next man up) and trade value only at the backside of his contract (or when an "amazing" offer is thrown up).

From the looks of it, we can go 2-3 years with a very dynamic duo at qb, and use 2-7th rounds picks to fill depth and some starting positions.

I don't think that the lack of a 1st round pick the next two years is as damaging as some people think. I would imagine a disproportionate amount of a teams resources is used evaluating players in the first round. what i mean by that is, teams will scout the hell out of the top of the draft class, since the team will be devoting so much to that player in terms of salary/cap/draft value. However, you only really get a shot at one player with a first round grade. Beyond the first round, teams draft grades vary. Whereas a 1st rounder is pretty much garaunteed to be picked within a range of 5-10 spots, the range that players after that could be picked could vary from team to team by 2-3 ROUNDS. If you've got a pick in the first round, you might like alot of guys, but theres only 5 or so that you can justify taking at that spot. However, in the later rounds, you've really got to make sure that you pick guys at the right spots. You might pass on a guy thinking you can get him with your next pick, but then someone swoops him up.

I guess what i'm getting to with all that rambling is this - not having a 1st round pick frees up our scouting department to spend their time evaulating the non-marquee players to look for "hidden gems." Not having the first round pick will force them pay closer attention to how they grade these players in relation to eachother, making it less like that we wiff on some guys and get a bust. I think we'll really get some really good players out of the 2013 draft. I just wish we didnt have that damn cap penalty so we could do more in free agency.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I don't think that the lack of a 1st round pick the next two years is as damaging as some people think. I would imagine a disproportionate amount of a teams resources is used evaluating players in the first round. what i mean by that is, teams will scout the hell out of the top of the draft class, since the team will be devoting so much to that player in terms of salary/cap/draft value. However, you only really get a shot at one player with a first round grade. Beyond the first round, teams draft grades vary. Whereas a 1st rounder is pretty much garaunteed to be picked within a range of 5-10 spots, the range that players after that could be picked could vary from team to team by 2-3 ROUNDS. If you've got a pick in the first round, you might like alot of guys, but theres only 5 or so that you can justify taking at that spot. However, in the later rounds, you've really got to make sure that you pick guys at the right spots. You might pass on a guy thinking you can get him with your next pick, but then someone swoops him up.

I guess what i'm getting to with all that rambling is this - not having a 1st round pick frees up our scouting department to spend their time evaulating the non-marquee players to look for "hidden gems." Not having the first round pick will force them pay closer attention to how they grade these players in relation to eachother, making it less like that we wiff on some guys and get a bust. I think we'll really get some really good players out of the 2013 draft. I just wish we didnt have that damn cap penalty so we could do more in free agency.

I think that is a really good point. I hope we make the most of the picks we have, and maneuver forward and backward as picks allow.

[SmootSmack]

Yeah, I mean from 1970-1990 we had 3 first round draft picks total...and we didn't do too bad

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I mean from 1970-1990 we had 3 first round draft picks total...and we didn't do too bad

Most of that was before my time....How on earth did that happen?

[irish]

The Jets need a new Head Coach more than anything else.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by irish

The Jets need a new Head Coach more than anything else.

Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Angry

Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?

Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.

Boil it down to the simple fact that the Jets have no ability to select quality, or even mediocre players in the draft or via Free Agency. They have NO ONE around Sanchez. Defense is average, no run game, no receivers to throw to. NOTHING. The GM and Rexy's personnel selections ain't so sexy. Poopoo talent=bye bye job.