RG3 cleared to play (update)

[The Goat]

I think RG can have his best passing game of the season if play-calling/scheme match what Kyle did in Cleveland. No read option or pistol this week please, it's too dangerous. But the roll out bootlegs and play-action are money.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Ya know I love this picture of Bob but I cant stop noticing how well the lady on the left wears her shirt.

Im really curious is to whether or not that football on her shirt is a regulation NFL Duke. If you put your index fingers on each end of it, I think it maybe bigger than a Duke. Whoever made that T should take things like that into consideration.

[rbanerjee23]

I think RG3 has a big comeback game -- 5 TDs total to make up for sitting out last week and put him right back on top of the ROY race.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I think RG3 has a big comeback game -- 5 TDs total to make up for sitting out last week and put him right back on top of the ROY race.

i want him back for ROY bad too dude.
hell tear this pride hurt philly d to shreds this week.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Im really curious is to whether or not that football on her shirt is a regulation NFL Duke. If you put your index fingers on each end of it, I think it maybe bigger than a Duke. Whoever made that T should take things like that into consideration.

lmao

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Im really curious is to whether or not that football on her shirt is a regulation NFL Duke. If you put your index fingers on each end of it, I think it maybe bigger than a Duke. Whoever made that T should take things like that into consideration.

I would be happy to take on that research project, after all I am a graduate student. LOL.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think RG can have his best passing game of the season if play-calling/scheme match what Kyle did in Cleveland. No read option or pistol this week please, it's too dangerous. But the roll out bootlegs and play-action are money.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It amazes me how many people who claim to be redskins fans say such completely ignorant things.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think RG can have his best passing game of the season if play-calling/scheme match what Kyle did in Cleveland. No read option or pistol this week please, it's too dangerous. But the roll out bootlegs and play-action are money.

Love the roll out bootlegs, but Almo thrives in the pistol

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You have no idea what you're talking about. It amazes me how many people who claim to be redskins fans say such completely ignorant things.

This is the week to avoid hits/knockdowns/sacks at all cost to avoid sideways impact of that knee, and the RG takes some whoppers when we run the pistol/read option more than 1-2 times a game. The frustrating thing is he also takes shots dropping back too often, and especially early in the game or so I'm convinced. Kyle (though it was really closer to textbook Mike Shanahan/west coast offense) called a perfect game against Cleveland with the roll outs and play-action. Why choose the riskier scheme when the safer one can be more effective (season avg pt/game is 27.2 vs 38 pts last week)?

You seemed like a nice kid up to now...what's the story?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is the week to avoid hits/knockdowns/sacks at all cost to avoid sideways impact of that knee, and the RG takes some whoppers when we run the pistol/read option more than 1-2 times a game. The frustrating thing is he also takes shots dropping back too often, and especially early in the game or so I'm convinced. Kyle (though it was really closer to textbook Mike Shanahan/west coast offense) called a perfect game against Cleveland with the roll outs and play-action. Why choose the riskier scheme when the safer one can be more effective (season avg pt/game is 27.2 vs 38 pts last week)?

You seemed like a nice kid up to now...what's the story?

Compare a season average to one game with a different quarterback and a poor pass defense? please. i could just as easily argue we run the play option offense we ran against New Orleans. We scored 40 that game vs 38 against the browns and an average of 27.4 the rest of the season, but that would be equally stupid.

The pistol and read option IS the reason our offense works, especially Alfred Morris. Contrary to popular belief, griffin rarely runs from the read option. He runs when he drops back to pass and our medicre o-line breaks down. Both of rg3s injuries this year occurred in those situations. Most of the "danger" rg3 is exposed to is the o-lines fault. The rest is rg3 not knowing how to slide. Bootlegs are great, but the pistol read option is the bread and butter of our offense. If we eliminated it, our offense would suffer and it would not protect rg3 in the least. It would actually put him at greater risk because defenses would be more likely to decipher the play and sack, hit, or tackle rg3 on a scramble.

The gameplan against Cleveland worked because it was just one game and Cleveland had no idea how to prepare. If we ran what we did against Cleveland every week, defenses would quickly catch on and snuff it out because its so similar to what a lot of other offenses run. The read option from the pistol is essentially unstoppable. The only thing that's stopped it all year is our own penalties, dropped passes, etc. and it's safer for rg3 than a traditional offense. Moving away from it would be completely stupid in every way.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Ya know I love this picture of Bob but I cant stop noticing how well the lady on the left wears her shirt.

I agree!

[Bucket]

Both of RG3s injuries this tear came from passing plays and him scrambling. None from the pistol set. To be honest. I think RG3 is safer from the pistol set/ option then anything else.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Compare a season average to one game with a different quarterback and a poor pass defense? please. i could just as easily argue we run the play option offense we ran against New Orleans. We scored 40 that game vs 38 against the browns and an average of 27.4 the rest of the season, but that would be equally stupid.

The pistol and read option IS the reason our offense works, especially Alfred Morris. Contrary to popular belief, griffin rarely runs from the read option. He runs when he drops back to pass and our medicre o-line breaks down. Both of rg3s injuries this year occurred in those situations. Most of the "danger" rg3 is exposed to is the o-lines fault. The rest is rg3 not knowing how to slide. Bootlegs are great, but the pistol read option is the bread and butter of our offense. If we eliminated it, our offense would suffer and it would not protect rg3 in the least. It would actually put him at greater risk because defenses would be more likely to decipher the play and sack, hit, or tackle rg3 on a scramble.

The gameplan against Cleveland worked because it was just one game and Cleveland had no idea how to prepare. If we ran what we did against Cleveland every week, defenses would quickly catch on and snuff it out because its so similar to what a lot of other offenses run. The read option from the pistol is essentially unstoppable. The only thing that's stopped it all year is our own penalties, dropped passes, etc. and it's safer for rg3 than a traditional offense. Moving away from it would be completely stupid in every way.

It also worked because Cleveland didn't believe our rookie backup QB could beat them with his arm and decided they were going to focus heavily on shutting down the run game.

It worked early, but then KC stunned them and it was all she wrote. I believe Alf could be just as effective with that game plan once teams were forced to respect the pass.

That said, the pistol and read option present no more danger to RG3 than any other plays/formation. He's still a rookie and will learn, the hard way apparently, to slide and get out of bounds sooner. His desire to extend plays and drives is why he's gotten hurt. Nothing else.

[Skinzman]

People seem to think that the pistol and read option are mutually exclusive. The pistol is nothing more than a formation. You can do the same things out of a pistol that you can do when your QB is under center, except that it allows those things to be done quicker due to the QB already being 3 yards deep in the backfield. With the stretch running plays that we run, the pistol makes play action a lot easier. The ball can get to the RB quickly so its not a sprint by the QB to get him the ball. RG3 can just turn and hand off and it still allows Morris to get on the stretch play. RG3 can also pull the ball and do a standard drop back out of it. The pistol can be ran the entire game without a single read option being called. I like RG3 in the pistol because it means we can play action and still get him time to get his head around and start reading the defense quicker. Under center, it seems if his first option isnt open, the OL doesnt give him time to read his other progressions so off running he goes. In the pistol, he can get through at least the second option if not the third before he has to bail out of the pocket. He has been hurt twice on scrambles, I want him back deep in the pocket quickly and finding receivers while still keeping the run game and play action a major staple, and the pistol is really good for that.

Honestly, I expect to see more of the pistol, even for non mobile QB's in the future. Ben already does it some in Pittsburgh, as well as other teams trying it out more.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Compare a season average to one game with a different quarterback and a poor pass defense? please. i could just as easily argue we run the play option offense we ran against New Orleans. We scored 40 that game vs 38 against the browns and an average of 27.4 the rest of the season, but that would be equally stupid.

The pistol and read option IS the reason our offense works, especially Alfred Morris. Contrary to popular belief, griffin rarely runs from the read option. He runs when he drops back to pass and our medicre o-line breaks down. Both of rg3s injuries this year occurred in those situations. Most of the "danger" rg3 is exposed to is the o-lines fault. The rest is rg3 not knowing how to slide. Bootlegs are great, but the pistol read option is the bread and butter of our offense. If we eliminated it, our offense would suffer and it would not protect rg3 in the least. It would actually put him at greater risk because defenses would be more likely to decipher the play and sack, hit, or tackle rg3 on a scramble.

The gameplan against Cleveland worked because it was just one game and Cleveland had no idea how to prepare. If we ran what we did against Cleveland every week, defenses would quickly catch on and snuff it out because its so similar to what a lot of other offenses run. The read option from the pistol is essentially unstoppable. The only thing that's stopped it all year is our own penalties, dropped passes, etc. and it's safer for rg3 than a traditional offense. Moving away from it would be completely stupid in every way.

It's almost like you don't even watch football (and certainly never played). The read/option only works if the QB keeps the ball around half the time.

The pistol also has opened him up to huge shots in the backfield, similar to drop backs I would guess.

Compare that to the little pressure Cousins saw on roll outs and play-action as a staple. You really don't seem to have any idea how offense works.

You probably didn't even recognize what we did in Cleveland is textbook Mike Shanahan/west coast, I assume because you're a kiddo?