Five-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills sister

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wouldn't agree to either law, because both would be based on flawed logic.

edit: on reflection, I am pretty sure most laws don't allow children under 15 to purchase or own guns so I guess you are on your way to banning field trips.

You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.

I understood what you meant, but assumed(apparently incorrectly) that you misspoke. Assuming that you are defining "have" in that sentence to mean that a law should be written that makes it illegal for a child under 15 (kind of an arbitrary age) to, in any way, shape or form; use, handle, or bring into their possession -without ownership- a firearm would be a dramatic change in current laws. Further, to say that a child, with proper parental supervision, can't have a gun is to go against 200+ years of US history. To enforce such a law would be practically impossible, and enforcement after a tragic accident like this one can be handled by existing laws.

The fact is you can be taught to be safe with guns, and responsible parents who own guns understand that you need to make their children aware of the dangers and keep them secured so that unsupervised children don't have access to them.

Most 5 year olds, if they have no or improper supervision, will drown if they go to into a pool. The parent would be negligent at that point. But a 5 year old with proper supervision can be taught to respect the dangers of a large body of water, and still learn how to enjoy swimming in it. No one thinks that a 5 year old should have unsupervised access to a gun, and if it is allowed and tragedy occurs, that parent or adult who was responsible should be punished to the full extent of the law. But, you can teach children to respect and be aware of the dangers, and teach them the right way to use it safely.

In the OP, those parents were irresponsible, and there are laws on the books that should be used to punish them appropriately.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.

So they can't purchase or own legally now but you want the law to read "can't have guns"?? How would they "have a gun" without owning it?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok, I'll agree to that law and you must agree to a law where no child under the age of 15 can have a gun

So no more field trips for 4th graders. What else are you going to outlaw in your crusade to stop accidents from happening?

I really cannot believe if you are actually as dumb as you seem to be.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really cannot believe if you are actually as dumb as you seem to be.

He's a Giants fan, it's not THAT much of a stretch.

[CRedskinsRule]

another tragedy:

New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

another tragedy:

New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com

A 13 yr old is old enough to know what they are doing and its not like he tried doing one move that killed her.

"He told investigators his sister told him he was hurting her, but he continued to slam, punch and elbow her."




Read more: New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com

[MTK]

Some people just shouldn't have guns, much like some people shouldn't have kids. And when you combine the two it's a bomb waiting to go off.

[Schneed10]

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks you better run.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks you better run.

That is my 5 year old son's favorite song. He doesn't understand it but he sings along too it all the time.

[over the mountain]

i am really on the fence on whether i want to own a gun or not.

right now we live in a very safe neighborhood and have no need for protection but . .

when we move to treme i may feel differently. im not sure my 60 lb mutt is all i need in terms of home security. before when i lived in unsavory places, he was all i needed bc i didnt have a kid but now . .

idk, im really torn on the issue. then when we move back to maryand we are probably looking for a home in a not so great but affordable area . .

really on the fence.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i am really on the fence on whether i want to own a gun or not.

right now we live in a very safe neighborhood and have no need for protection but . .

Most robberies/home invasions are going to occur in a better neighborhood rather than a poor one cos the better ones have the good stuff.

Always own and use a handgun responsibly, make sure to drill with it to ensure you'll be on autopilot when the shit hits. Don't keep it in a safe, you don't have time to unlock a safe when the door gets kicked through.

Don't buy into the liberal BS of 'gun nuts'. There are crazies in every sphere of life.

Right now someone, somewhere is lubing a lifesize model of Eli Manning crafted from Edam cheese. Probably it's GiantOne. I have no proof, all the evidence is there thought, I'm sure.

[CRedskinsRule]

if you choose to own a gun just commit early and often to the safety training involved. (I may get hammered on this point but) train your children early that real guns are not toys, show them the basic safety points, and stress they aren't to use them without supervision. Above all, keep them it in a good lock box, and keep weapon unloaded except when being used for training or obviously actual need.

[mredskins]

if only they had had a gun in the home.

Scary home invasion caught on tape in Millburn, New Jersey - YouTube

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mredskins

if only they had had a gun in the home.

Scary home invasion caught on tape in Millburn, New Jersey - YouTube

Then she and her little girl would be dead .If he got in fast enough for her not to call the police then she never would have had a chance with a gun , something doesn't seem right about that video either. With all the high end homes in that town and Short Hills the guy sure didn't pick the right house.