2014 draft prospects Early edition

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Our 2nd round pick and Kirk Cousins to move up and take CJ Mosley. What do you think?

No.

Losing our 2nd rounder AND our better-than-average (or at least competent and cheap) backup QB to draft a player in a position that's not in the worst shape...no thanks.

Now if we lose Orakpo before the draft...maybe.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Our 2nd round pick and Kirk Cousins to move up and take CJ Mosley. What do you think?

Throw in a 4/5th round with the move up, then yes

[Lotus]

We might have a pretty bitchin' LB unit with Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, and Mosley.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

We might have a pretty bitchin' LB unit with Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, and Mosley.

They would be pretty young too.

[GTripp0012]

The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.

If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.

I don't think so. The people that love Manziel in this draft would love him a lot more than Griffin. Others would prefer Bridgewater.

I don't really even think Luck would be a slam dunk 1st overall guy in this draft. Manziel might go ahead of him, too.

Manziel is the closest thing to Brett Favre that the draft has produced in 10 years, and he's not even my top quarterback in this one.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

...and he's not even my top quarterback in this one.

And who might that be?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think so. The people that love Manziel in this draft would love him a lot more than Griffin. Others would prefer Bridgewater.

I don't really even think Luck would be a slam dunk 1st overall guy in this draft. Manziel might go ahead of him, too.

Manziel is the closest thing to Brett Favre that the draft has produced in 10 years, and he's not even my top quarterback in this one.

Manziel better land in a good spot or he's gonna be a major bust. Bridgewater should excell any place he goes.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.

Depends on the offense. If a team wanted to run our 2012 offense then RG3 is your guy. A pro offense? Bridgewater hands down.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.

You just can't let the RGIII trade go, can you? What was your plan to get us a Franchise QB two years ago? Wait until we have a 3-10 season and then draft Bridgewater? Somehow, I doubt that.

This is a "a potentially franchise changing draft", you say? First, that remains to be seen. Second, so what? I think we had a franchise changing draft two years ago when we got RGIII.

If, as you say, RGIII is going to develop and no one will regret the trade the Skins made for him, then how could the trade that landed RGIII have been a bad idea?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You just can't let the RGIII trade go, can you? What was your plan to get us a Franchise QB two years ago? Wait until we have a 3-10 season and then draft Bridgewater? Somehow, I doubt that.

This is a "a potentially franchise changing draft", you say? First, that remains to be seen. Second, so what? I think we had a franchise changing draft two years ago when we got RGIII.

If, as you say, RGIII is going to develop and no one will regret the trade the Skins made for him, then how could the trade that landed RGIII have been a bad idea?

Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.

[skinsfan69]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1060018]Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.[/QUOTE

It was a total act of pure desperation. It wasn't a good trade then and certainly not now. But what's done is done. This is a huge year for RG3. Let's hope Gruden coaches him up, the FO gets him some help and hopefully he bounces back strong.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say. You're talking in circles.

Just answer this: If RGIII develops into the the type of QB that doesn't cause anyone to regret the trade for him, then what is the problem?

If RGIII becomes a Top 5 NFL QB, then he'll be worth all of those picks because Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Plan A: Trade up to get RGIII.

Plan B: Hope to get lucky and find a Top 5 QB somewhere, somehow, some way, sometime in the future.

I'll take Plan A and never look back.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.

Still a long way to go to see if the trade was worth it.