New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I can't see it being a loss for the county, it may not be a huge gainer, but it probably is at least revenue neutral. No I haven't done any math, but if Stadiums were sinkholes, people wouldn't be clamoring to get them, as AT&T would say, it's not complicated.

I mean, I know the math can be complicated, and lots of variables come in to play, but really really bottom line, if PG County could point to FedEx and say that's where all the money is going, and try to get Dan Snyder to somehow pony up more money, there would be politicians out wazoo making that statement.

You kinda have to do the math to determine whether its a loss or neutral. The problem is politicians don't like to release numbers so we can do the math. I can also assure you that when FedEx Field was being built there were politicians who were screaming NO but there weren't enough of them.


Only an honest man can say "No!" to a sweetheart deal.

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers - Gregg Easterbrook - The Atlantic


My favorite...very creative...

In California, the City of Santa Clara broke ground on a $1.3 billion stadium for the 49ers. Officially, the deal includes $116 million in public funding, with private capital making up the rest. At least, that’s the way the deal was announced. A new government entity, the Santa Clara Stadium Authority, is borrowing $950 million, largely from a consortium led by Goldman Sachs, to provide the majority of the “private” financing. Who are the board members of the Santa Clara Stadium Authority? The members of the Santa Clara City Council. In effect, the city of Santa Clara is providing most of the “private” funding. Should something go wrong, taxpayers will likely take the hit.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Don't try that narrowing of the subject shit with me. We are talking about the precedence set when you pay for the football or baseball stadium. Also, you seem to not understand the fact that the Gaints and Jets tried to get the public to build them a stadium but failed. See West Side Stadium Story. Unlike most sports teams they, of course, can't threaten to leave the biggest market in the nation though the NFL did manage to slightly punish the good people of NY....

LOL , you can't read can you ? The Giants were , never , ever involved with that .So ....as you say don't try that shit with me .

[tshile]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They pay more expenses than just road maintenance.

like?

seriously, try to do the math on 10% of every seat sold in that stadium. don't forget the various price points, including the ridiculous club level contracts, as well as parking.

also look up PG County's cut of the alcohol sales, as well as food and merchandise.

then come in here and talk about how 70 million, roads, and whatever else you can come up with makes that all not worth it.

By the way - PG County and MD wanted the training camp site. DC, after just building two stadiums for two other teams, wants the Redskins new stadium.

But yeah - your simple math and assumptions trump all of that. It's obviously a terrible investment for DC

PS - I did the math before the recent price increases. I know what the numbers look like. That's why I keep asking you to do it. I can't help but wonder why you would form such a strong opinion and refuse to spend 5 minutes doing some basic math to see how your opinions stack up.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL , you can't read can you ? The Giants were , never , ever involved with that .So ....as you say don't try that shit with me .

The sad fact is there is fleecing going on.

But those guys don't want to meet half way and recognize that there are cases where there is a benefit.

Like when your one of the biggest media markets in the country and you have no trouble selling out your stadium.

[donofriose]

I am waiting for someone to say FIFA helped out Brazil... Eerily similar in my personal opinion.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL , you can't read can you ? The Giants were , never , ever involved with that .So ....as you say don't try that shit with me .

Try not to feel stupid....

NFL Giants will split $750M home if West Side stadium fails - ESPN

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by saden1

Try not to feel stupid....

NFL Giants will split $750M home if West Side stadium fails - ESPN

Why would he feel stupid about that? It clearly says the Jets wanted the stadium and that the Giants would do a joint stadium with the Jets if the stadium the Jets wanted fell through. No where does it say the Giants were ever involved in the West Side Stadium.

Originally Posted by donofriose

I am waiting for someone to say FIFA helped out Brazil... Eerily similar in my personal opinion.

I dont see how thats anything alike. Brazil built something like 10 or 12 stadiums to be used for 3 or 4 weeks, then have nothing readily available to use it every year. Thats quite the difference than building 1 stadium that will be used every year.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Try not to feel stupid....

NFL Giants will split $750M home if West Side stadium fails - ESPN

Again , did you read the link ?If the stadium deal for the Jets does not happen they would split the cost of the 1.5 billion stadium in the Meadow lands with the Giants . =750,000 million ,next !

[saden1]

"Our preference all along has been to play in a building with the Jets''

Translates to.

The probability of the Giants building a 1.4 billion dollar stadium by themselves is nil. Ideally both teams would prefer taxpayers pay for two stadium. The problem is though the Giants and Jets can't go to tax payers together or separately and ask for money. No one in their right mind would give tax payer money to two football teams with a combined annual income of 500+ million dollars or build each their own stadium. If the Jets alone went to tax payers and got them to build a stadium the Giants would almost certainly work out a deal to be a tenant in this new stadium.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I am waiting for someone to say FIFA helped out Brazil... Eerily similar in my personal opinion.

Brazil built stadiums out in the middle of nowhere, where the cost of getting the materials to the site alone was astronomical. Stadiums that were used for a week, or two, or three and have no long term planned use.

Brazil's FIFA experiment has been shown to have lined the pockets of a few builders via corrupt politicians at the expense of the rest of the country.

I don't know anyone other than FIFA and Brazil that have tried to tout that as smart or a success on any level.

[KI Skins Fan]

This thread hasn't gotten too bad.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Translates to.

um.

Would a ,could a ,should a, ,deal in facts jr and the facts are what they are ,you are wrong .

[KI Skins Fan]

Nobody here gives a dam about what a Giants fan and a guy from Seattle think about a proposed Jets stadium in New Jersey, except you two. Give the rest of us a break.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Nobody here gives a dam about what a Giants fan and a guy from Seattle think about a proposed Jets stadium in New Jersey, except you two. Give the rest of us a break.

Thank You for your reply .

[NC_Skins]

San Francisco 49ers game costs family of four an NFL-high average of $641 - ESPN

Who's going to be able to afford to go if/when it's built?