Giants Post Game Reactions

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by WillH

This team is just still not very good. A strong ground game on Offense and Defense can keep you in and win games even with bad special teams play, but having a QB that can't make plays for you when the game is on the line, and has bad judgement is just too big a hurdle to overcome.

KC may get better, I know people have posted his numbers compared to the start of some elite QB's numbers at the same point in their career, but I think you could find many more examples of young QBs with similar stats that did not improve. For example this is how he compares with Patrick Ramsey:

G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A AY/A
Cousins 16 11 284 465 61.1 3429 20 21 79.2 7.4 6.2 6.2
Ramsey 16 12 246 463 53.1 3169 17 14 78.2 6.8 6.2 6.2

If this ends up being another Ramsey debacle...

[JWsleep]

I guess it surprises me how many of you were expecting great things, given our recent history of prime time games against the gints. I was waiting for a kick in the balls and it still hurt. Oy.

KC will get to the bye, I suppose, but he isn't showing it. INTs are just not acceptable and his numbers speak for themselves. The game plan was fine--they were stacking the box and knew we wanted to run. That should have opened up the pass--that's sort of the point of having the run game, no? Plus, we got in a hole and that limits the play calling.

On the other side, Eli is obviously in a different class, but we also helped with NO PRESSURE. Easy to throw if you can just sit back like practice.

Specials: unacceptable
penalties: unacceptable

Bottom line: we're more than a few players away, so this is what you gotta expect. QB is high on the list, though we should continue to build inside out, IMO.

Get Ross on the field. Beat Philly.

Gotta go ice my frickin balls.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I guess it surprises me how many of you were expecting great things, given our recent history of prime time games against the gints. I was waiting for a kick in the balls and it still hurt. Oy.

KC will get to the bye, I suppose, but he isn't showing it. INTs are just not acceptable and his numbers speak for themselves. The game plan was fine--they were stacking the box and knew we wanted to run. That should have opened up the pass--that's sort of the point of having the run game, no? Plus, we got in a hole and that limits the play calling.

On the other side, Eli is obviously in a different class, but we also helped with NO PRESSURE. Easy to throw if you can just sit back like practice.

Specials: unacceptable
penalties: unacceptable

Bottom line: we're more than a few players away, so this is what you gotta expect. QB is high on the list, though we should continue to build inside out, IMO.

Get Ross on the field. Beat Philly.

Gotta go ice my frickin balls.

We know we're going to lose games, in the big picture its not as bothersome losing, but the day of the game it just sucks, especially a winnable game. Like today, I'm already over it, on to Philly.

[calia]

I don't mind losing to the likes of the Patriots or Packers -- truly elite teams that we're not realistically going to beat. For those games, I want to see some fight and for it to be respectable.

But for games like last night and the Dolphins for that matter, we can beat those teams. It would just be nice for us to win our fair share of those games, and we don't seem to do so. We had all kinds of chances to score points and eliminate mistakes, and just didn't get it done.

The Giants and Dolphins are mediocre. Unfortunately, I think the reality is -- so are we. (Maybe the franchise took Zorn's "stay medium" admonition a little too much to heart.)

[over the mountain]

Re Cousins 2 interceptions. I think the second is much worse than the first.

1st int - the giants were game planning to only have to defend the short or mid range routes. prince is able to let the play develop in front of him, predict the route and jump it. garcon did a poor job of running a wide sloppy angle instead of cutting in front of prince to make sue he had inside leverage on the ball.

if we dont stretch the field in the passing game, every D Coord will have their guys playing the short to mid stuff, keep the play in front of them, and allow them to jump routes. corners and safeties do not have to worry about contain or a guy getting behind them.

the pass plays are becoming very predictable w Desean out.

making it way to easy to gear up on the run and keep pass plays in front of defenders.

i want cousins to make that same throw, i want garcon to run a sharp route and i want us to dial up some long balls so defenders cant assume our receivers will be breaking no farther than 12-15 yards down the field.

2nd int - cousins has to know down, distance and when to press and when to not press. he said in an interview this preseason that he has to learn to not force a throw in every situation, particularly when the risk is high (squeezing/forcing it in), but the reward is small (4-8 yd gain at best).

1st and 10 on the giants 34. cousins CANNOT force that ball to carrier. its first down, the play broke down, you have already scrambled outside the tackles .. just throw it away.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Re Cousins 2 interceptions. I think the second is much worse than the first.

1st int - the giants were game planning to only have to defend the short or mid range routes. prince is able to let the play develop in front of him, predict the route and jump it. garcon did a poor job of running a wide sloppy angle instead of cutting in front of prince to make sue he had inside leverage on the ball.

if we dont stretch the field in the passing game, every D Coord will have their guys playing the short to mid stuff, keep the play in front of them, and allow them to jump routes. corners and safeties do not have to worry about contain or a guy getting behind them.

the pass plays are becoming very predictable w Desean out.

making it way to easy to gear up on the run and keep pass plays in front of defenders.

i want cousins to make that same throw, i want garcon to run a sharp route and i want us to dial up some long balls so defenders cant assume our receivers will be breaking no farther than 12-15 yards down the field.

2nd int - cousins has to know down, distance and when to press and when to not press. he said in an interview this preseason that he has to learn to not force a throw in every situation, particularly when the risk is high (squeezing/forcing it in), but the reward is small (4-8 yd gain at best).

1st and 10 on the giants 34. cousins CANNOT force that ball to carrier. its first down, the play broke down, you have already scrambled outside the tackles .. just throw it away.

This is exactly how I feel. The first one Prince A jumped the route cause he knew Garcon was running the dig. I think KC needed to pick the defender up quicker, rather than already had his mind up as to where he was throwing it.

The second one was just terrible. No reason to throw that ball at all. Just terrible.

We all knew there would be days like this from KC. Up and down. But to me I'm not going to jump off a cliff and judge him after 3 starts. I want to judge him after the season.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is exactly how I feel. The first one Prince A jumped the route cause he knew Garcon was running the dig. I think KC needed to pick the defender up quicker, rather than already had his mind up as to where he was throwing it.

The second one was just terrible. No reason to that ball at all. Just terrible.

We all knew there would be days like this from KC. Up and down. But to me I'm not going to jump off a cliff and judge him after 3 starts. I want to judge him after the season.

This.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Brody81

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This.

i agree with the bolded part from Skinsfan69 as well. im not jumping off a cliff. i look forward to cousins weekly radio interview to hear his comments.

what he knew he had to work on preseason (not forcing throws when he didnt have to and when the reward was low) .. he reverted back to. once.

someone sd it earlier in this thread. while he did throw the ball away sometimes, you could see he was doing it very reluctantly. like it caused him actually physical pain.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i agree with the bolded part from Skinsfan69 as well. im not jumping off a cliff. i look forward to cousins weekly radio interview to hear his comments.

what he knew he had to work on preseason (not forcing throws when he didnt have to and when the reward was low) .. he reverted back to. once.

someone sd it earlier in this thread. while he did throw the ball away sometimes, you could see he was doing it very reluctantly. like it caused him actually physical pain.

[skinsfaninok]

The giants really just own us. I was praying for a miracle win last night and nothing. It hurt I actually couldn't even sleep I was so mad. It wasn't that I thought we would win the east all of the sudden but man to get rolled once again on live TV u can't help but to get pissed.

[calia]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The giants really just own us. I was praying for a miracle win last night and nothing. It hurt I actually couldn't even sleep I was so mad. It wasn't that I thought we would win the east all of the sudden but man to get rolled once again on live TV u can't help but to get pissed.

Lots of insomniacs on this board I bet (myself included). A friend who is a huge Patriots fan called me yesterday to tell me that as it's Thursday night against the Giants, we won't be in the game at any point. Honestly, if he calls me today, I am going to get some blowtorches and wrenches and get medieval....

[WRSK1NS]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The giants really just own us. I was praying for a miracle win last night and nothing. It hurt I actually couldn't even sleep I was so mad. It wasn't that I thought we would win the east all of the sudden but man to get rolled once again on live TV u can't help but to get pissed.

This was me last night as well, mad during the whole stinking game. Sitting in my chair sweating because I was so hot about what I was seeing.

Hoping for a miracle and/or some sign of life.

I hate the Giants but even more than that I really hate being owned by the Giants.

[Buffalo Bob]

That was painful to watch. I was expecting further progress. It didn't take long
to see two steps backward. Just a couple minutes in a special teams blunder and a pick. Nothing seemed to go right, pretty depressing.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I hope Cousins is the answer, the QB class this year is terrible. Goff is the best QB, but he is so small, he will get blasted, and have a hard time holding up.

Jones - looking like a 1 hit wonder
Hackenburg - completely overrated
Cook - everything I read about him says he is similar to Cousins, even same school, inaccurate and turnover prone

Ehhhhhh? Do we want any of those guys?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I hope Cousins is the answer, the QB class this year is terrible. Goff is the best QB, but he is so small, he will get blasted, and have a hard time holding up.

Jones - looking like a 1 hit wonder
Hackenburg - completely overrated
Cook - everything I read about him says he is similar to Cousins, even same school, inaccurate and turnover prone

Ehhhhhh? Do we want any of those guys?

If u build the right team u don't always need a franchise QB to win games. Kirk is a to machine so he's not the answer but maybe they can find a guy that protects the ball and is accurate enough to make some plays