Domestic terrorism

[FRPLG]

This is not a comment on gun control which I think is such a hairy subject that we may never solve in this country but...

Guns don't cause this stuff to happen. Guns are the tool not the cause. Instead of both sides using this tragedy as a reason to bolster their case we need to focus on WHY THIS CRAP HAPPENS. I've never seen a real discussion led by adults on how to stop this stuff. It strikes me that simply getting rid a every gun (a complete impossibility anyways) is like cutting off your nose to cure congestion. We need to treat the causes not the symptoms.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is not a comment on gun control which I think is such a hairy subject that we may never solve in this country but...

Guns don't cause this stuff to happen. Guns are the tool not the cause. Instead of both sides using this tragedy as a reason to bolster their case we need to focus on WHY THIS CRAP HAPPENS. I've never seen a real discussion led by adults on how to stop this stuff. It strikes me that simply getting rid a every gun (a complete impossibility anyways) is like cutting off your nose to cure congestion. We need to treat the causes not the symptoms.

Oh you! Stop making sense. There is NO place for it in this thread. Please speak only in absolutes and hyperbole.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Oh you! Stop making sense. There is NO place for it in this thread. Please speak only in absolutes and hyperbole.

You don't think the phrase "getting rid a every gun" is hyperbole. Who has ever said that? There is not a single politician in national office that would do this.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is not a comment on gun control which I think is such a hairy subject that we may never solve in this country but...

Guns don't cause this stuff to happen. Guns are the tool not the cause. Instead of both sides using this tragedy as a reason to bolster their case we need to focus on WHY THIS CRAP HAPPENS. I've never seen a real discussion led by adults on how to stop this stuff. It strikes me that simply getting rid a every gun (a complete impossibility anyways) is like cutting off your nose to cure congestion. We need to treat the causes not the symptoms.

Holt Shit, there is NO room for this type of wisdom in a tread like this!!!
We as a society/culture/world will have to lose the PC brainwash, learn to look with clear eyes (as FRPLG has said) at a given problem. Call it what it is without regard for who it disturbs and call BS on our leaders that want to do otherwise.
Deal with it harshly if necessary. Our world as we know it is in danger of going away.

[FRPLG]

It was obviously a phrase used for what would be the most extreme "solution".

This is the problem, there was literally nothing about anything I said that should have been taken as any type of stance on the overall subject of gun-control. I doubt you have any idea where I stand on this issue. But a simple turn of phrase used as a device brought forth a Pavlovian response. As Aaron Rodgers would say "Relax".

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It was obviously a phrase used for what would be the most extreme "solution".

This is the problem, there was literally nothing about anything I said that should have been taken as any type of stance on the overall subject of gun-control. I doubt you have any idea where I stand on this issue. But a simple turn of phrase used as a device brought forth a Pavlovian response. As Aaron Rodgers would say "Relax".

^^ What he said.

[Chico23231]

San Bernardino shooter tied to ISIS - CNN.com

Pledged alliance to ISIS...k so lets still remember what the administration narrative: focus on gun control and a "mixed motive" of workplace violence

Everyone remember Bengahzi narrative after the terrorist attack:

The Obama administration clung for weeks to the story that it was Muslims upset over the video who spontaneously rioted in Benghazi, killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice made the claim on five morning news shows the Sunday after the attack.

Folks, we have patterns...everyone know that dumb b*tch Susan Rice is now top us national security advisor?

[over the mountain]

chico - serious question. what difference does it make if Obama said benghazi was a "terrorist attack" vs "act of terror" within 24 hours of benghazi happening?

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The Facts

Immediately after the attack, the president three times used the phrase “act of terror” in public statements:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”

— Obama, Rose Garden, Sept. 12

“We want to send a message all around the world — anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America.”

— Obama, campaign event in Las Vegas, Sept. 13

“I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...31f9_blog.html

[Chico23231]

Im very passionate about this issue...terrorism and especially ISIS because I seriously think these atrocities by these folks will go down along with the Nazi regime as the worst ever committed. So many innocent...and our finger prints are all over the cause of why/how.

And I feel it was our responsibility in a way to at least do more when Iraq border was breached by isis. Allowing them to dig in and essentially establish their caliphate in Syria and Iraq has led not only to the slaughter of 10s of thousands but essential give these people a safe area to collect folks to train them, harden them as fighters and then send them all over the world. This shouldn't be surprising.

We had options to establish a no fly zone, we had options to arm the Permerhga and the Yaidiz, we had options to start a bombing campaign immediately, we had options to engage Turkey earlier, we had options to send special forces earlier...etc.

Our inaction have help allow the downing of a Russian plane, the bombing in Beruit, the Paris attacks and now California...folks this should come as no surprise. These escalations have been well scripted.

[over the mountain]

chico is cool, hes passionate. he also will let his opinion of things evolve over time and not be too egotistical to stick to his initial stance. he used to not like cousins and now he does to a good extent.

i have zero hope that he will ever not HATE gruden though. lol.

chico, why do you hate gruden soo much man? lol

[Schneed10]

I think that's a nice thought by FRPLG, and in such a world of bubble gum roads and gum drop trees, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out the reason why some people are evil and we'll be able to rid those people of their evil thoughts by sitting around a campfire holding hands and making s'mores.

That's the fucking cause: some people are just evil and cannot be reasoned with. You're not going to address the cause. Addressing the tools is all you can do.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think that's a nice thought by FRPLG, and in such a world of bubble gum roads and gum drop trees, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out the reason why some people are evil and we'll be able to rid those people of their evil thoughts by sitting around a campfire holding hands and making s'mores.

That's the fucking cause: some people are just evil and cannot be reasoned with. You're not going to address the cause. Addressing the tools is all you can do.

In that case exterminate them with no more thought than you would give a......cock roach

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Hog1

In that case exterminate them with no more thought than you would give a......cock roach

That is indeed exactly the way we should be treating anybody who declares support for ISIS. We should have a war mentality with that entire organization, which includes going into Syria and killing them, and arresting anybody who declares support for them here in the US and charging them with treason.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is indeed exactly the way we should be treating anybody who declares support for ISIS. We should have a war mentality with that entire organization, which includes going into Syria and killing them, and arresting anybody who declares support for them here in the US and charging them with treason.

I thought we tried that and thanks to people like Snowden an others we have to close place's like Guantanamo Bay,we can spy but only when it makes feel good and only when we let everyone "KNOW" we are doing it.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I thought we tried that and thanks to people like Snowden an others we have to close place's like Guantanamo Bay,we can spy but only when it makes feel good and only when we let everyone "KNOW" we are doing it.

Well.....yes, we will have to continue our...War On Terrorism!!!
.....without hurting anyone feelings
.....being mean to anybody
.....without violating anyone's...rights?
.....Without risk of being labeled racist, anti-semite, ne'er do well
......Without sinister acts like profiling
AND, without any kind of common sense as well...
no problem