Brunell Starting

[irish]

About 4 weeks ago I said that Gibbs has no faith in PR and that MB would be starting game 4. Everybody on this site told me I did not understand about faith in a QB. They also said Gibbs would never pull PR by week 4. Looks like I was correct about the former and incorrect about the latter, my prediction was 2 weeks too late.

[mheisig]

Grrrrrr...

Rant On

I don't post alot but dammit I'm upset. I'm not so sure it's as important WHO we go with as just picking someone and sticking with it. Ramsey has had ONE game? ONE GAME?! I hardly find Brunell's 8/14 for 70yds a convincing relief performance. How is a quarterback supposed to have any ocnfidence whatsoever if everytime the slightest thing goes wrong he gets benched? I mean 6/11 for 105 and an INT isn't exactly stellar, but in that case half the QBs in the league should be benched.

This just makes me sick. Ya know I just moved from Maryland to Tennessee and was all in a panic that I can't get all the 'Skins games down here. Now I'm not so worried.

Rant Off

Of course I AM worried...been a 'Skins fan since I was a fetus. I guess I'm on the bandwagon one way or another. I do it reluctantly though.

[mheisig]

Wait let me clarfiy:

I'm on the Gibbs Bandwagon. The Brunell Bandwagon should not even exist, and I'll personally remove the lug nuts if anyone tries to get it going.

Brunell is an overpaid, washed-up old putz with a noodle for an arm and no real apparent emotion for the game. All I can figure is he must be a smooth talker or something to get Gibbs to like him.

Maybe he brings donuts every morning. Hell, for $43 million I'd be a brownnoser too...

[Joe Knows...]

mheisig, your metaphors give me a good much needed laugh. LOL.

You're funny.

[SkinsRock]

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

Fight for all DC!!!!!

You nailed it my friend. Good Post!

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Ok, first and foremost, I am a Redskin fan, so I will root for them no matter who is starting and who is on the team. I also have faith in Joe Gibbs and his coaching staff.

I have always been a big Ramsey supporter, but he just does not seem to be able to improve his accuracy and stop turning the ball over. So I agree with Gibbs's decision. Brunell was good in preseason and yes it was against back-ups, but the last time I checked, QB accuracy and poise doesn't have anything to do with who the players on the defense are. He showed it big-time, and Ramsey, not as much...in year four, he still looks too much like a work-in-progress. I am disappointed that Patrick wasn't given more of a shot, but I agree that Brunell gives the Redskins the best chance to win now. Last year he was injured, and Gibbs should have pulled him earlier, at the very least to let him get healthy, but that is over with. Players (and teams) have bad years that they bounce back from. It happens every year. Hopefully Brunell, and the Redskins, can be one of those stories this year. I think they will.

As for the offense, it is better than last year overall. It is year two in the system and they have made adjustments to better fit the players they have. The line is vastly improved with Rabach and Jansen (even with no thumbs!). Portis has put on almost 20 lbs. to handle the load and seems determined to carry this offense. The new receivers have the speed and ability to get downfield, AND to get RAC yards after the 5-15 yard passes that Lav and Rod just couldn't get last year. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cooley will definitely improve on his very good rookie year (even the Skins-hating experts). So even if Brunell sucks just like last year, the rest of this team has the ability to overcome it....but I don't think he will.

It seems to me that Gibbs wants someone that can effectively run the offense for a year or two until he can get Campbell up to speed, and it appears the Brunell is more qualified and in a better position, career-wise, to do that. I wish Ramsey all the luck in the world, but it seems that his days as a Redskin are numbered, whether it is a trade this season, or being traded or released next offseason. By the way, remember that it was said that Snyder was very high on Ramsey and he was his pick? Who's in control now???

Hail to the Redskins!!!

SkinsRock, I wish you wrote for the Washington Times or Post. You couldn't have said it better.

[Hog1]

I read a post yesterday referring to the current situation with the QB's. The author made a statement to the effect of "Coach Gibbs knows more than most of us on the Warpath". I have read a lot of BS over the past 24 hours (and enjoyed it). I have a shocker-NOBODY ON ANY MESSAGE BOARD IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE COACH (or we would be doing it). This may come as a shock to the author and all us second guessing Gibb's. There are REAL reasons he is making these moves, that are not motivated by self-serving, or personal reasons. It is based purely on performance, or who he believes can achieve the best performance. You may be asking yourself, "what gives that old man the right"? THREE RINGS-Oh yea of little faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I read a post yesterday referring to the current situation with the QB's. The author made a statement to the effect of "Coach Gibbs knows more than most of us on the Warpath". I have read a lot of BS over the past 24 hours (and enjoyed it). I have a shocker-NOBODY ON ANY MESSAGE BOARD IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE COACH (or we would be doing it). This may come as a shock to the author and all us second guessing Gibb's. There are REAL reasons he is making these moves, that are not motivated by self-serving, or personal reasons. It is based purely on performance, or who he believes can achieve the best performance. You may be asking yourself, "what gives that old man the right"? THREE RINGS-Oh yea of little faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?

I don't for one minute think that Gibbs made this choice based on anything close to personal or self-serving reasons. I believe he is not that type of man or coach. However, I do think he is dead wrong with what he's done and this team will pay the price for his decision this season.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?.

Until he stops coaching.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?

I don't for one minute think that Gibbs made this choice based on anything close to personal or self-serving reasons. I believe he is not that type of man or coach. However, I do think he is dead wrong with what he's done and this team will pay the price for his decision this season.

The reason Gibbs will be successful is because now he has a healthier Brunell who I think will not turn the ball over like last year. Efficiency has been the main commandment of Gibbs that Ramsey has consistently broken. Interceptions and fumbles have plagued Ramsey and overshadowed anything he did. That is the reason he is being replaced. Secondly, I think the addition of Jansen with two broken thumbs and Dockery stepping without a lot of penalties is a better front line for any decent QB. Ramsey was in every training camp this year so he should understand and be on the same page as Gibbs. I am very observant as a fan and what I have noticed about Ramsey from preseason until last week, is that when Brunell goes onto to the field and returns to the sidelines, Ramsey is right behind him. He acts as though he a Brunell are buddy buddy. Brunell is fighting for his job. There is no love lost. This guy lacks confidence and it shows with his reaction to being benched.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

The reason Gibbs will be successful is because now he has a healthier Brunell who I think will not turn the ball over like last year. Efficiency has been the main commandment of Gibbs that Ramsey has consistently broken. Interceptions and fumbles have plagued Ramsey and overshadowed anything he did. That is the reason he is being replaced. Secondly, I think the addition of Jansen with two broken thumbs and Dockery stepping without a lot of penalties is a better front line for any decent QB. Ramsey was in every training camp this year so he should understand and be on the same page as Gibbs. I am very observant as a fan and what I have noticed about Ramsey from preseason until last week, is that when Brunell goes onto to the field and returns to the sidelines, Ramsey is right behind him. He acts as though he a Brunell are buddy buddy. Brunell is fighting for his job. There is no love lost. This guy lacks confidence and it shows with his reaction to being benched.

Amen! For those of you that remember Mark Rypien. He was Superbowl MVP in 1992. In that season, he basically rose out of obscurity to fame. I truly never saw ANYBODY throw a better long ball. He literally bombed their opponents all year. True, they had a tested group of recievers. Not necessarily more talented, but tested. The following year he fell back in to obscurity, and later was waived. Gibbs realized he could not get a Joe Montana, so he was smart enough to back door the problem. He (and Bugel) created an incredible O-line that allowed 9 sacks (I think) all year. Any "decent" non-superstar QB should thrive in that environment. Rypien was incredible that year, and went back to suck head the next. The only difference was the protection. I think that is Coach's plan! No Joe's available.......................Brunell is at the back door (I Hope)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Amen! For those of you that remember Mark Rypien. He was Superbowl MVP in 1992. In that season, he basically rose out of obscurity to fame. I truly never saw ANYBODY throw a better long ball. He literally bombed their opponents all year. True, they had a tested group of recievers. Not necessarily more talented, but tested. The following year he fell back in to obscurity, and later was waived. Gibbs realized he could not get a Joe Montana, so he was smart enough to back door the problem. He (and Bugel) created an incredible O-line that allowed 9 sacks (I think) all year. Any "decent" non-superstar QB should thrive in that environment. Rypien was incredible that year, and went back to suck head the next. The only difference was the protection. I think that is Coach's plan! No Joe's available.......................Brunell is at the back door (I Hope)

brunell releases fast and checks down too quickly, he's been more of the prototype QB (when in his prime) of those guys that operate fine without a good line...

[BigSKINBauer]

I haven't talked much on this issue. But here it is, i hate this decision so early but i will give Brunell one week and asit would be this is Dallas week, gibbs gets a get out of jail free till tuesday morning, I can't say brunell is gonna be bad because nothing in the preseason shows that he will be bad. I can't say that he will be good because nothing from last year says he will be good, i need to see on Monday, it is very possible that brunell does good and portis runs on that 3-4 and we pick up a win. I don't know why we have given up. Ramsey wasn't the best player on the team, I wanted him to be but Brunell earned this job in gibbs' eyes and i am not blindly following gibbs, I am trusting him because he sees the players, he saw ramsey more than those 20 minutes on Sunday, he knows what is going on. I am not gonna follow gibbs but i will trust him until i know he is wrong. I know hindsight is 20/20 but i have to see Brunell start just one more time till i say this is the worst decision that we made this year

This is officially dallas week, this week can tell us whether we should give up all hope or if we should be looking toward the sky. It is Dallas Week and the most important week of the year.

[MTK]

Guys and gals, let's all take a deep breath and relax.


Step away from the computer for a moment, do some work, stare out your window, have a slice of your favorite pie, etc.


Things are starting to get ugly and it won't be tolerated.


Be warned.